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Barra rods
« on: September 15, 2011, 07:29:19 PM »
Every one has their own ideas about what makes a good Barra rod, and up north there seems to be a bit of a trend towards lighter gear. We're not talking about Impoundment fish here (Pond Donkeys) but barra in the wild. I have seen plenty of wild fish taken on rods rated as low as 4kg, and I'm sure there are a few other thrill seekers about with stories of even lighter gear. To narrow things down a bit more I'm going to stay with rods for casting only, not broomsticks that only get to be used for trolling. To kick it off I have a Daiwa Spellbinder that's rated as a 3-6kg rod. It has plenty of backbone but casts lighter lures extremely well. Any takers?
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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2011, 07:59:07 PM »
For Darwin Barra, I've used a B2 and a B4 Egrell.  It's really a matter of finding a rod that will cast the weight you want to fish, and it has bugger all with the size of the fish you're chasing.  Heavier fish just need a lower rod angle.

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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2011, 09:00:28 PM »
Thanks Dale that's point I'm making and why I put trolling aside to concentrate on casting. I also put the impoundment fish aside because a lot of people troll for them, and they often use heavier lures ie flickbaits etc.
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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2011, 09:20:18 PM »
Ive got a light barra rod well i would use it for anyway. Its a St.croix medium power 6-10lb spin blank ... would be a great rod if i ever build it  ;D

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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 04:52:31 AM »
Just any standard 2-5 kilo baitcaster rod for little uns. Got a pair of  Pflueger trions I usually use from the boat,
As you say "Pond donkies" I get serious, an egrel B6 being my weapon of choice in those cases.

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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 06:50:40 PM »
Those Egrel rods seem to be pretty popular, the price stacks up well against the likes of Loomis too, and a bit cheaper than Millerrods. The line ratings are a bit different though. How do they compare, like Binder's E6 to a 6-8kg rod?
Steve, you had better get building mate.
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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2011, 05:20:51 AM »
B is for baitcaster, 6 is for 6kg rating.

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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2011, 06:44:36 AM »
The length of the rod can also play a big part in getting further distance when casting lighter lures along with the size of your line which is also something to consider.

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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2011, 01:00:38 PM »
You're right there mate, there's been a gradual increase in legth of baitaster rods, in fact I have a Temple Fork Outfitters rod that's 7ft and tosses relatively light lures really well with a Daiwa Alphas. I bough a Samaki the other day from Motackle that's 6'2". I'm thinking of stocking a little shop the way things are going. Turning into a tackle tart. This what prombted the original post; the trend that seems to be going towards lighter gear overall for barra, stuff that would have been considered solid Bass gear not so far back.
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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2011, 01:21:48 AM »
Since the advent of low stretch GSP lines, we lose the "sling shot" effect that the 25-40% stretch that mono gave us, so to generate higher velocity there's a tendancy to go longer rods which generate more centipetal force to get that speed higher.
Getting the "right" rod for the weight of the lure you're tossing can see a rod unload to its peak efficiency & thus negate the need for the longer rod.
Under loaded or over loaded rods (read not matched to the weight of lure/bait being cast) can be as detrimental to a quality cast as any other factor IMHO. 


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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2011, 05:53:17 PM »
The rod is the delivery system, to get the lure to the fish
To decide which rod to use, make the choice which lure and how you are fishing the lure, each lure and how you fish it, can dictate which rod,
Unless you know which lure and style you are fishing that day, you can take em all, 2 to 4 rods and more

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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2011, 08:09:35 AM »
.....that was the point I was going to add to as well. 3 rods, 3 reels, 3 line classes to cover the spectrum from tiny to big lures- as on the day it may be one over the other that gets the best interest. I'd ignore some of the trends- they tend to be a bit like fashion, rather than purpose.
I get away with 2 outfits, but 3 would be the best in my opinion. Thin 15lb braid on a light rod fished to middling potential, then 20lb on a medium stick fished to maximum potential and 50lb on another fished to the hilt when required- all spin reels by the way. This covers light 60mm lures through to 200mm honkers. Pond donkey or Wild fish- they all grow the same size, and the salty is the more powerful of the two- don't sell yourself short on the wild ones.......
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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2011, 10:17:01 AM »
Every one has their own ideas about what makes a good Barra rod, and up north there seems to be a bit of a trend towards lighter gear. We're not talking about Impoundment fish here (Pond Donkeys) but barra in the wild. I have seen plenty of wild fish taken on rods rated as low as 4kg, and I'm sure there are a few other thrill seekers about with stories of even lighter gear. To narrow things down a bit more I'm going to stay with rods for casting only, not broomsticks that only get to be used for trolling. To kick it off I have a Daiwa Spellbinder that's rated as a 3-6kg rod. It has plenty of backbone but casts lighter lures extremely well. Any takers?
JD

Is it a trend  or mainstreaming ?......  I've certainly noticed more and more the move away from broomsticks as fishoes realise that the rod is the "delivery tool" . With better designed blanks using higher tech materials the need for those heavy rods are fast eroding .  These days we have blanks that look like long knitting needles that can fish a line class to the hilt & cast a greater variety of weights with aplomb ..... yet still have the power low down to move a fish if need arises. 
The developement of better spin reels matched to the newer blank designs will continue this mainstreaming away from the old broomstick  -    with longer rods not only able to deliver smaller / lighter lures but allowing for tapers that will absorb the lunge of a fish against a low stretch braid while being able to control a fish. 
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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2011, 03:31:21 PM »
I use a nitro 8kg and a samurai 20lb rated rod (amongst others). It's amazing the amount of feel you can get through the thinner blanks. There's always the "thrill" of man against beast when fishing. I have always liked longer rods as I like to fish light and the absorbtion in longer rods helps tremendously. When in rough terrain it's a completely different ball game. Not much fun trying to ping lures in amongst trees if they're too long. Same if your trying to skull drag a big fish from heavy timber.
From my view point there are many rods that will do the job, just as there is a rod for each occaison. From Ugly Stik through to the so called top end loomis rods. Sometimes it's more to do with the understanding of the angler/fisho and his pocket money  ;). Never used an Egrel but like the action of the blanks. I don't like the look of em but. I wonder what the choice of most people would be when it comes to chosing a reel? Spin reels would be my choice for most senarios but I still like throwing a curado on the Samurai.

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Re: Barra rods
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2011, 07:59:37 PM »
This is a real open ended question there are so many variables its like playing golf with one club(I dont play golf) but heres my two cents in rivers I have always used a 4kg stick with 30lb braid it allows sweet presentation of small to mid sized barra lures. When it comes time to stop something bigger you have the ability to put some serious brake on.Long rods are suited to open water not river casting

 

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