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Title: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: StevenM on February 26, 2017, 04:53:17 PM
So, a working committee will gather to come up with ideas on how to allocate the SIP funding shortly. The old surface area and tick a box for popularity thing is gone.

So if that group of people were to read this what would you say on how you would like to allocate the monies to the new SIP scheme?

Me, couple of things.

- access to me must be included. If I can not access the water way due to private property or the need to have a secondary permit or membership then my voice would say you don't get my money. So an example of this is...1/ weirs that have locked gates and private property access only. 2/ Dams / lakes that only have access for say a limited area of bank. Then this is the area that should be taken into account not the whole surface are or volume. If I need to be a member of a secondary club or committee to access the lake then no fair play. You don't get my money.

- current stocking level. There is a formula that advises how may fish per hectares. What has been done in the past. Has monies be incorrectly channeled and the lake is under stocked or do I dare say it...over stocked.

- popularity. What users are currently seen using the water way. It is a put and take fishery right. The problem is how do you measure this?

Have few more but that should hopefully get the ball rolling.

What do you say or what do you want to be taken into consideration.


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Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: NormGood on February 27, 2017, 08:18:55 AM
Very good arguments there Steve.

I too have a view that restricted access is a deciding factor as well.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on February 27, 2017, 12:13:05 PM
Great subject Steve, according to the DAF Letter to Stocking Groups:  "From the list of 46 impoundments specified in the RIS, 31 have been added to the SIP scheme however the remaining 15 were not included for a variety of reasons.  These included
-The local Stocking Group withdrawing support for their original request
-Stocking Groups ceasing to operate
-The water storage owner objected to the change, or
-There was deemed to be inadequate public access for the impoundment to be included in the Scheme."
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on February 27, 2017, 12:20:00 PM
I did visit Bee Hive Dam, just out of Wallangarra on Saturday, which is one of the new impoundments added to the Scheme.  It's hard to miss the massive "Private Property" "Keep Out" signs on the gate to access the water.  I guess everyone just ignores them.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: Novice on February 27, 2017, 05:34:41 PM
So, a working committee will gather to come up with ideas on how to allocate the SIP funding shortly. The old surface area and tick a box for popularity thing is gone.




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Shouldn't of this been sorted out before all the changes occurred?

I'd like to see no funding to the restricted access locations. I also used enjoy not ticking the box next to npd due to their percieved "double dipping" in the past.

I don't envy the committee's position, whatever they end up deciding they are going upset someone.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on February 27, 2017, 08:59:37 PM
Here's a brain flash.  Lake Somerset has proven to be the most popular impoundment and has the most angling pressure.  Let's call it the benchmark and maximum size.  Whatever the hectares at full level is the maximum.  Any dams bigger are classed as the same size.  Add up the hectares of all the smaller dams, and add them to all the dams at the Somerset standard and get a total stocked Dam hectare total.  Take the funds received, deduct the 20% for admin and divide the total $ by total hectares to give a $/hectare rate.  All stocking groups receive the same $ per hectare rate.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: rayke1938 on February 28, 2017, 04:14:31 AM
Dales solution to my mind the only reasonable method.
If any dam reaches full stocking their funding should be reduced and the monies divided among other groups.
What is everyones thoughts about the monies to be used for other things?
To my mind that opens up a whole can of worms.

Cheers
Ray
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on February 28, 2017, 06:51:53 AM
No way, no how, should FFSAQ receive $50,000.00 funding from the SIP Scheme.  That $50,000.00 could stock a large proportion of the smaller dams rather than be wasted on paying someone to do a volunteer's job.  Stocking Group members do not get paid, or reimbursed expenses, why should someone who represents some of the Stocking Groups, and charges them for the privilege, receive extra funding?
Also, no way, no how, should Stocking Groups be able to use SIP Funds for anything other than stocking fish into their waters.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 01, 2017, 09:48:37 AM
The new impoundments added to the scheme are;
        Aplins Weir Townsville (North Queensland)
        Caboolture River Weir, Caboolture (Moreton Bay)
        Goondiwindi (Hilton) Weir, Goondiwindi
        Miles Weir, Miles (Western Downs)
        Baroon Pocket Dam, Maleny (Sunshine Coast)
        Cecil Plains Weir, Cecil Plains (Toowoomba)
        Hinze Dam, Gold Coast hinterland
        Surat Weir, Surat (Maranoa)
        Beebo Weir, Texas (Goondiwindi)
        Chinchilla Weir, Chinchilla (Darling Downs)
        Inglewood Town Weir, Inglewood (Goondiwindi)
        Talgai Weir, Clifton (Southern Downs)
        Beehive Dam, Wallangarra (Southern Downs)
        Claude Wharton Weir, Gayndah (North Burnett)
        Jones Weir, Mundubbera (North Burnett)
        Whetstone Weir, Inglewood (Goondiwindi)
        Ben Anderson Barrage, Bundaberg
        Ewen Maddock Dam, Landsborough (Sunshine Coast)
        Koombooloomba Dam, Ravenshoe (Tablelands)
        Woodford Weir, Woodford (Sunshine Coast)
        Ben Dor Weir, Inglewood (Goondiwindi)
        Gill Weir, Miles (Western Downs)
        Lake Belmore, Croydon (Gulf Savannah)
        Wyaralong Dam, Beaudesert (Scenic Rim)
        Black Weir, Townsville (North Queensland)
        Gleeson Weir, Townsville (North Queensland)
        Lake Kurwongbah, Petrie (South east Queensland)
        Yarramalong Weir, Milmerran (Toowoomba)
        Bonshaw Weir, Texas (Goondiwindi)
        Glenarbon Weir, Texas (Goondiwindi)
        Lemon Tree Weir, Millmerran (Toowoomba)
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: rayke1938 on March 01, 2017, 04:32:44 PM
Be interesting to see the make up of the committee.
The stocking assns will probably be outnumbered and their reps will have an unenviable job trying to get a fair go and trying to appease everyone as I think that different groups will have different opinions on what they wish to get out of the scheme.
I know it is pie in the sky but wouldn't it be great if the government were to forgo their management fee for a period. That way previous members of the scheme would not see a drastic drop in their funding.
Cannot see that happening with the white spot disease chewing up their resources and funds.
Cheers
Ray
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 01, 2017, 06:31:38 PM
I have the make-up of the Committee at work, I'll post it tomorrow.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 02, 2017, 06:20:53 AM
DAF is proposing that the nominal make-up of the working group will be as follows:
Two delegates from Freshwater Fishing and Stocking Association of Queensland
Six Stocking Association members selected from associations currently participating in the SIP program; and
Two Representatives from DAF

Steve Brooks is co-ordinating it all.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: rayke1938 on March 02, 2017, 07:31:29 AM
Seems a good make up I was afraid that there would be more government representatives.
Cheers
Ray
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: NormGood on March 02, 2017, 03:20:43 PM
Brooksie's a good bloke
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 02, 2017, 06:39:36 PM
Don't say that to loud in here, he'll bloody hear you.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 06, 2017, 10:26:39 AM
Can anybody confirm is Gill Weir and Miles Weir at Miles are the same place?
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 06, 2017, 10:55:07 AM
OK, playing with some numbers and dam sizes and I've come up with the following.

For the 2014/2015 year, the total funds was $918350.00.  If DAF have 20% of this, the groups are left with $734680.00.
If we have a cap of 4210 hectares, and a minimum of 50 hectares for the little dams, the amount per hectare comes out at $12.74 per hectare, or about 60 Golden Perch per hectare.
We would end up with something like this;


Pref       Lake             Size       $

1   Somerset   4210   $53,635.40
32   Burdekin *   4210   $53,635.40
25   Fairbairn   4210   $53,635.40
2   Wivenhoe *   4210   $53,635.40
13   Fred Haig   4210   $53,635.40
19   Peter Faust *   4210   $53,635.40
15   Tinaroo   3500   $44,590.00
6   Bjelke Peterson   2250   $28,665.00
17   North Pine   2200   $28,028.00
7   Boondooma *   1815   $23,123.10
   Hinze Dam   1800   $22,932.00
14   Glenlyon   1800   $22,932.00
11   Coolmunda   1645   $20,957.30
28   Wuruma   1630   $20,766.20
   Koombooloomba Dam   1550   $19,747.00
3   Leslie*   1250   $15,925.00
   Wyaralong Dam   1230   $15,670.20
29   Callide   1210   $15,415.40
18   Teemburra   1107   $14,103.18
12   Kinchant   920   $11,720.80
16   Eungella   850   $10,829.00
8   Moogerah   827   $10,535.98
24   Lenthalls   766   $9,758.84
20   Cania   760   $9,682.40
4   Cressbrook #   515   $6,561.10
10   Borumba   480   $6,115.20
   Baroon Pocket Dam   400   $5,096.00
   Ewen Maddock Dam   370   $4,713.80
5   Maroon   350   $4,459.00
   Lake Kurwongbah   328   $4,178.72
26   Theresa Creek   300   $3,822.00
9   Cooby #   300   $3,822.00
23   Lake MacDonald   260   $3,312.40
31   Gordonbrook   235   $2,993.90
30   Lake Gregory   200   $2,548.00
   Lake Belmore   118   $1,503.32
21   Lake Dyer   100   $1,274.00
27   Storm King   70   $891.80
22   Connolly   50   $637.00
   Aplins Weir    50   $637.00
   Caboolture River Weir   50   $637.00
   Goondiwindi (Hilton) Weir   50   $637.00
   Miles Weir   50   $637.00
   Cecil Plains Weir   50   $637.00
   Surat Weir   50   $637.00
   Beebo Weir   50   $637.00
   Chinchilla Weir   50   $637.00
   Inglewood Town Weir   50   $637.00
   Talgai Weir   50   $637.00
   Beehive Dam    50   $637.00
   Claude Wharton Weir   50   $637.00
   Jones Weir   50   $637.00
   Whetstone Weir   50   $637.00
   Ben Anderson Barrage   50   $637.00
   Woodford Weir   50   $637.00
   Ben Dor Weir   50   $637.00
   Gill Weir   50   $637.00
   Black Weir   50   $637.00
   Gleeson Weir   50   $637.00
   Yarramalong Weir   50   $637.00
   Bonshaw Weir   50   $637.00
   Glenarbon Weir   50   $637.00
   Lemon Tree Weir   50   $637.00

Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 06, 2017, 10:58:33 AM
If DAF keep 25% we get;

1   Somerset   $50,309.50
32   Burdekin *   $50,309.50
25   Fairbairn   $50,309.50
2   Wivenhoe *   $50,309.50
13   Fred Haig   $50,309.50
19   Peter Faust *   $50,309.50
15   Tinaroo   $41,825.00
6   Bjelke Peterson   $26,887.50
17   North Pine   $26,290.00
7   Boondooma *   $21,689.25
   Hinze Dam   $21,510.00
14   Glenlyon   $21,510.00
11   Coolmunda   $19,657.75
28   Wuruma   $19,478.50
   Koombooloomba Dam   $18,522.50
3   Leslie*   $14,937.50
   Wyaralong Dam   $14,698.50
29   Callide   $14,459.50
18   Teemburra   $13,228.65
12   Kinchant   $10,994.00
16   Eungella   $10,157.50
8   Moogerah   $9,882.65
24   Lenthalls   $9,153.70
20   Cania   $9,082.00
4   Cressbrook #   $6,154.25
10   Borumba   $5,736.00
   Baroon Pocket Dam   $4,780.00
   Ewen Maddock Dam   $4,421.50
5   Maroon   $4,182.50
   Lake Kurwongbah   $3,919.60
26   Theresa Creek   $3,585.00
9   Cooby #   $3,585.00
23   Lake MacDonald   $3,107.00
31   Gordonbrook   $2,808.25
30   Lake Gregory   $2,390.00
   Lake Belmore   $1,410.10
21   Lake Dyer   $1,195.00
27   Storm King   $836.50
22   Connolly   $597.50
   Aplins Weir    $597.50
   Caboolture River Weir   $597.50
   Goondiwindi (Hilton) Weir   $597.50
   Miles Weir   $597.50
   Cecil Plains Weir   $597.50
   Surat Weir   $597.50
   Beebo Weir   $597.50
   Chinchilla Weir   $597.50
   Inglewood Town Weir   $597.50
   Talgai Weir   $597.50
   Beehive Dam    $597.50
   Claude Wharton Weir   $597.50
   Jones Weir   $597.50
   Whetstone Weir   $597.50
   Ben Anderson Barrage   $597.50
   Woodford Weir   $597.50
   Ben Dor Weir   $597.50
   Gill Weir   $597.50
   Black Weir   $597.50
   Gleeson Weir   $597.50
   Yarramalong Weir   $597.50
   Bonshaw Weir   $597.50
   Glenarbon Weir   $597.50
   Lemon Tree Weir   $597.50
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 06, 2017, 11:01:55 AM
If DAF get 25% and FFSAQ get their $50,000.00 we end up with;

1   Somerset   $46,646.80
32   Burdekin *   $46,646.80
25   Fairbairn   $46,646.80
2   Wivenhoe *   $46,646.80
13   Fred Haig   $46,646.80
19   Peter Faust *   $46,646.80
15   Tinaroo   $38,780.00
6   Bjelke Peterson   $24,930.00
17   North Pine   $24,376.00
7   Boondooma *   $20,110.20
   Hinze Dam   $19,944.00
14   Glenlyon   $19,944.00
11   Coolmunda   $18,226.60
28   Wuruma   $18,060.40
   Koombooloomba Dam   $17,174.00
3   Leslie*   $13,850.00
   Wyaralong Dam   $13,628.40
29   Callide   $13,406.80
18   Teemburra   $12,265.56
12   Kinchant   $10,193.60
16   Eungella   $9,418.00
8   Moogerah   $9,163.16
24   Lenthalls   $8,487.28
20   Cania   $8,420.80
4   Cressbrook #   $5,706.20
10   Borumba   $5,318.40
   Baroon Pocket Dam   $4,432.00
   Ewen Maddock Dam   $4,099.60
5   Maroon   $3,878.00
   Lake Kurwongbah   $3,634.24
26   Theresa Creek   $3,324.00
9   Cooby #   $3,324.00
23   Lake MacDonald   $2,880.80
31   Gordonbrook   $2,603.80
30   Lake Gregory   $2,216.00
   Lake Belmore   $1,307.44
21   Lake Dyer   $1,108.00
27   Storm King   $775.60
22   Connolly   $554.00
   Aplins Weir    $554.00
   Caboolture River Weir   $554.00
   Goondiwindi (Hilton) Weir   $554.00
   Miles Weir   $554.00
   Cecil Plains Weir   $554.00
   Surat Weir   $554.00
   Beebo Weir   $554.00
   Chinchilla Weir   $554.00
   Inglewood Town Weir   $554.00
   Talgai Weir   $554.00
   Beehive Dam    $554.00
   Claude Wharton Weir   $554.00
   Jones Weir   $554.00
   Whetstone Weir   $554.00
   Ben Anderson Barrage   $554.00
   Woodford Weir   $554.00
   Ben Dor Weir   $554.00
   Gill Weir   $554.00
   Black Weir   $554.00
   Gleeson Weir   $554.00
   Yarramalong Weir   $554.00
   Bonshaw Weir   $554.00
   Glenarbon Weir   $554.00
   Lemon Tree Weir   $554.00

Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 06, 2017, 11:05:07 AM
The FFSAQ $50,000 equates to approximately 238,000 less fish stocked overall.  That's an awful lot of fish not stocked.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 06, 2017, 11:06:44 AM
With the additional cost per permit and the additional permits sold for spouses the numbers above should be substantially higher for 2017/18.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 06, 2017, 11:27:12 AM
Based on the 2014/15 numbers this is the difference between what was actually received and what would be potentially received.
                                  Potential          Actual
1   Somerset   $50,309.50   $79,426.00
32   Burdekin *   $50,309.50   $20,381.00
25   Fairbairn   $50,309.50   $42,476.00
2   Wivenhoe *   $50,309.50   $49,788.00
13   Fred Haig   $50,309.50   $53,937.00
19   Peter Faust *   $50,309.50   $26,826.00
15   Tinaroo   $41,825.00   $48,594.00
6   Bjelke Peterson   $26,887.50   $41,600.00
17   North Pine   $26,290.00   $32,888.00
7   Boondooma *   $21,689.25   $14,895.00
   Hinze Dam   $21,510.00   
14   Glenlyon   $21,510.00   $31,442.00
11   Coolmunda   $19,657.75   $29,817.00
28   Wuruma   $19,478.50   $21,764.00
   Koombooloomba Dam   $18,522.50   
3   Leslie*   $14,937.50   $19,779.00
   Wyaralong Dam   $14,698.50   
29   Callide   $14,459.50   $17,025.00
18   Teemburra   $13,228.65   $24,456.00
12   Kinchant   $10,994.00   $25,732.00
16   Eungella   $10,157.50   $22,463.00
8   Moogerah   $9,882.65   $30,242.00
24   Lenthalls   $9,153.70   $13,437.00
20   Cania   $9,082.00   $15,623.00
4   Cressbrook #   $6,154.25   $8,500.00
10   Borumba   $5,736.00   $20,871.00
   Baroon Pocket Dam   $4,780.00   
   Ewen Maddock Dam   $4,421.50   
5   Maroon   $4,182.50   $16,768.00
   Lake Kurwongbah   $3,919.60   
26   Theresa Creek   $3,585.00   $9,024.00
9   Cooby #   $3,585.00   $7,040.00
23   Lake MacDonald   $3,107.00   $9,429.00
31   Gordonbrook   $2,808.25   $6,912.00
30   Lake Gregory   $2,390.00   $7,237.00
   Lake Belmore   $1,410.10   
21   Lake Dyer   $1,195.00   $5,211.00
27   Storm King   $836.50   $6,473.00
22   Connolly   $597.50   $2,461.00
   Aplins Weir    $597.50   
   Caboolture River Weir   $597.50   
   Goondiwindi (Hilton) Weir   $597.50   
   Miles Weir   $597.50   
   Cecil Plains Weir   $597.50   
   Surat Weir   $597.50   
   Beebo Weir   $597.50   
   Chinchilla Weir   $597.50   
   Inglewood Town Weir   $597.50   
   Talgai Weir   $597.50   
   Beehive Dam    $597.50   
   Claude Wharton Weir   $597.50   
   Jones Weir   $597.50   
   Whetstone Weir   $597.50   
   Ben Anderson Barrage   $597.50   
   Woodford Weir   $597.50   
   Ben Dor Weir   $597.50   
   Gill Weir   $597.50   
   Black Weir   $597.50   
   Gleeson Weir   $597.50   
   Yarramalong Weir   $597.50   
   Bonshaw Weir   $597.50   
   Glenarbon Weir   $597.50   
   Lemon Tree Weir   $597.50   
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: Brooksy on March 06, 2017, 03:30:22 PM
Can anybody confirm is Gill Weir and Miles Weir at Miles are the same place?

Hi Dale
There are two weirs at Miles listed separately in the management plan. Everyone you speak to calls them something different.  So the general consensus  we could get was that those names are correct.  Gill weir has a surface area of 70ha and Miles Weir 30ha.
Cheers
Steve
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 06, 2017, 06:05:32 PM
Thanks Brooksy. 
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
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Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: rayke1938 on March 07, 2017, 06:45:30 AM
I know it is very difficult to administer fairly but would it be possible to incorporate in the formula some method that the stocking assns on the old scheme do not have their allocations vary by a certain percentage ( Up or Down ) as looking at Dales figures some groups are going to have a massive hit in their funding.
Cheers
Ray
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 07, 2017, 07:54:52 AM
Some groups seem to have been extremely over funded, which may be the reason the preference tick has gone.  If anything is done to protect the older groups, it will mean the new groups get less.  They won't like that.
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 07, 2017, 08:27:36 AM
What groups would gain or lose going on 2014/15 figures.

                      Pref          difference

Somerset   8.17%   -$29,116.50
Burdekin *   1.04%   $29,928.50
Fairbairn   1.46%   $7,833.50
Wivenhoe *   6.34%   $521.50
Fred Haig   2.99%   -$3,627.50
Peter Faust *   2.45%   $23,483.50
Tinaroo   2.83%   -$6,769.00
Bjelke Peterson   4.90%   -$14,712.50
North Pine   2.72%   -$6,598.00
Boondooma *   4.85%   $6,794.25
Glenlyon   2.92%   -$9,932.00
Coolmunda   3.53%   -$10,159.25
Wuruma   1.43%   -$2,285.50
Leslie*   5.73%   -$4,841.50
Callide   1.41%   -$2,565.50
Teemburra   2.59%   -$11,227.35
Kinchant   3.15%   -$14,738.00
Eungella   2.76%   -$12,305.50
Moogerah   4.74%   -$20,359.35
Lenthalls   1.59%   -$4,283.30
Cania   2.23%   -$6,541.00
Cressbrook #   5.45%   -$2,345.75
Borumba   4.23%   -$15,135.00
Maroon   5.26%   -$12,585.50
Theresa Creek   1.45%   -$5,439.00
Cooby #   4.59%   -$3,455.00
Lake MacDonald   1.75%   -$6,322.00
Gordonbrook   1.11%   -$4,103.75
Lake Gregory   1.26%   -$4,847.00
Lake Dyer   1.87%   -$4,016.00
Storm King   1.43%   -$5,636.50
Connolly   1.78%   -$1,863.50
Title: Re: New SIP funding allocation.
Post by: aussiebasser on March 07, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
Now, getting down to the new $ intake.
32205 weekly permits at an additional $2 = $64,410
13023 yearly permits at an additional $9 = $117,207
3994 concession permits at no change  =  $0
5000 new spouse permits at $50  =   $250,000  (This is a guess)

Total addition revenue somewhere around $431,617 or an additional $7.50 per hectare.