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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: aussiebasser on December 31, 2011, 07:03:36 AM
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SteveM made reference in another post about the pink ribbons Fitz has tied around posts and signs along the Brisbane Valley Highway and other roads showing access points to the river. Down here on the border of NSW and Victoria offor a holiday and travelling the road between Yarrawonga and Wangaratta often we've found that the Government down here have proper blue signs with a fish and a fish hook to show people that they can access the river from these little tracks. Others have signs that say "river access" or even "no river access" to save the trouble of looking. At Parolas Bridge, which is where the Murray Valley Highway crossed
s the Ovens River There are open areas for camping. No charge, no bookings, not gates, not signs saying keep out. We pulled up and two Rangers pulled up behind us. The saw an old camp fire, and raked it out and hosed it down, then gave us a couple of free newspapers. Up home they probably would have told us to nick orf. They just wanted to be sure we enjoyed our stay and didn't start any bushfires. When he found out that my nephew was his supervisor he radioed him and we found him only 5 minutes away, so there must be plenty of these guys getting around and helping people enjoy their holiday He couldn't tell us where the bloody fish were though.
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Sometimes I think qld get by on its natural beauty, and the government is too busy trying to lock us out rather than to help embrace it. Spose they cant make any tourist dollars if your camping. Fairly shortsighted though.
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Very typical for queensland though. They seem to think banning everything is the way to go. It's an absolute Nazi state.
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I think Queensland see the tourist dollar more on the foreign visitors to the coast. Also if this area was close to Brisbane it'd be full of idiots in Hiluxs and trail bikes ripping it up and ruining it for all
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Isnt that part of the rangers job? Either way hiluxs and motorbike riders arent endemic to qld.
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I think Queensland see the tourist dollar more on the foreign visitors to the coast. Also if this area was close to Brisbane it'd be full of idiots in Hiluxs and trail bikes ripping it up and ruining it for all
Yes but Queensland has all their farmers running their cattle to the water's edge, ruining the river for all the fish.
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In NSW you can find the locations of TSRs quite easily I believe, while in Qld you have to do a FOI search in DERM giving GPS coords or specific map grid reference & if there isn't one where you thought, you've got to cought up another 150 clams for the next search.
Look at recent post from Tasmania Fisheries, they make map for angler show where you can & can't access.
There are some states that recognise fishing as a significant lfestyle past time & the tourism dollars that flow from attractining visitors, some states are woeful. In Qld the peak rec fishing body only focuses on the rustwater areas, especially beach fishing for tailor. Qld transport never is almost never doing anything with non-rusty ramps & Boating & Fisheries Patrol are hardly ever seen. It all adds up to an across the board attitude of not giving a rats clanger about sweetwater fishing in the state. This is where the likes of FFSAQ need to be far more pro-active, tell SUNFish to pull their heads out of sweetwater all together, get the gloves off, get some dirt under their nails & have a fair dinkum crack for those they claim to represent. Qld is 20 years behind the other states & is falling further behind.........
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How can you compare QLD to the likes of NSW and VIC when these states have the full blown salt/freshwater fishing license..there is huge money generated to be spent on restocking and facilities in these states. Until QLD comes on board with a similar licences don't winge about the government not doing enough. I reckon the sooner the better...
Cheers
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How can you compare QLD to the likes of NSW and VIC when these states have the full blown salt/freshwater fishing license..there is huge money generated to be spent on restocking and facilities in these states. Until QLD comes on board with a similar licences don't winge about the government not doing enough. I reckon the sooner the better...
Cheers
So an all waters fishing licence in Qld is going to solve all problems & pay for facilities for the; bird watchers, water skiers, grey nomads, campers, etc etc etc- groups that have no interest in fishing. The other states have had their ducks in a row alot longer than the introduction of fishing licences.
Granted, there will certainly be some positive spin offs to an all waters fishing licence. However I'd be the first to scream if this money was to be used for boat ramps & camping facilities over habitat restoration & several hundred weirs to be fixed.... Then there's the general anti-freshwater attitude in Qld, 99% would end up getting sucked into rustwater IMHO.
I recon an attitude change could & should be the first step towards Qld catching up with other states, not a new tax.
Cheers,
fitzy..
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So an all waters fishing licence in Qld is going to solve all problems & pay for facilities for the; bird watchers, water skiers, grey nomads, campers, etc etc etc- groups that have no interest in fishing.
Bird watchers will never pay and I would be happy for them to look for free, Water Skiers well some dams have a boating licence, Campers, some pay some don't, Other groups??...picnickers, they can have a picnic for free too
Granted, there will certainly be some positive spin offs to an all waters fishing licence.
Absolutely yes, huge positives
I recon an attitude change could & should be the first step towards Qld catching up with other states
Millions of new dollars bought about the change in attitube in the other states not a view or wish of a bureaucratic
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Millions of new dollars bought about the change in attitube in the other states not a view or wish of a bureaucratic
What I'm saying is that there's already dollars in the kitty for alot of things in Qld already, but little to none percentage wise gets through to freshwater in the form of ramps & habitat rehab, facilities etc, why would more dollars make for a higher percentage.
We already pay in the form of a Private Pleasure Vessel Levy (PPV) on boat rego for boat ramps etc; 17% was promised for freshwater - an outright lie as there is no accountability to show ANY of it has gone to freshwater ramps etc.
We already have a SIP for lakes & this system is showing itself to be a winner (but still requires some efficiency changes), if it aint broke, don't fix it.
Sweetwater being the poor cousin there is an attitudinal change that is required, another tax and the associated dollars will just see filleting tables every hundred meters at Indian Head long before a launching area for kayaks is seen at Villeneuve Bridge IMHO.
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All that license money got them 40000 bass in Victoria that's about 10 grands worth. We get ten times that just for somerset and wivenhoe and you want to trade that for a license so th money can go towards salt water fishing? I guess I don't look at the big picture enough
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Yes but Queensland has all their farmers running their cattle to the water's edge, ruining the river for all the fish.
That comment is totaly irresponsible, farmers are the caretaker of the land with lots of money invested in their acreage and water infastructure, as a ex-farmer in Qld, who took a lot of effort to protect his river (Condamine) only to allow a few ignorant fisherman access, who then pillaged the river and the environment.
It is not the farmers who should allow access to all, please be considerate, breeding paddocks, watercourses locked off to revigate. Lots of reasons, you may no agree, but if you want free access, why not get together and buy yourselves a property and open it to all.
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You say that the condamine was your river. Sadly that is the attitude of many land holders, note that they are not river holders, just land holder who think they own the river. That is what has been stopped along the ovens and Murray rivers. Nobody owns the river
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I think Queensland see the tourist dollar more on the foreign visitors to the coast. Also if this area was close to Brisbane it'd be full of idiots in Hiluxs and trail bikes ripping it up and ruining it for all
You've only got to drive along the Highway near the Glasshouse Mountains to see what the hoons are up to. As far as the farmers "ruining" the fishing that's not entirely true. The problem goes way back further, it just hasn't been dealt with. The Qld Govt is madly spending money trying to lure OS visitors instead of chasing the locals to spend their money at home. Victoria and the NT are the only two states that have really got a grip on freshwater fishing and the access it needs. NSW is coming along nicely now we have a change of Government; I hope it continues. We really DO need a decent rep body to look after the needs of all fishos too. I also believe that because of all the dams in Queensland the decion makers simply take the attitude that "let 'em play in the dams, that will keep them out of the rivers." The NSW DPI even has a book on the stock routes that Fitzy mentioned showing access points and exactly where to find the TRS's. I don't even know if a change of Govt will fix things in Qld. The Sir Humphry system is too well entrenched.
JD
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I started reading all the comments.... "Australia is a free country" Unless you live in it .. everything has a cost. Sure fishing licences for dams and stocked impoundments i will play along with happily but an all round fishing licence is like a chain and ball for an average jo blo that fishes once or twice a year with their kids.
On the camping hiluxes and idiots on bikes the scenic bin is overun with the F&*$(RS, I frequent areas that are of scenic values for my own reasons but to be nearly run off the road by some out of towner yuppy makes my blood absolutly boil! It plain and simply dangerous! Darlington park is one that would be turning over a small fortune with people that stay in caravans and 3 story tents with inground pools aswell as the kiosk with icecream, Every weekend its a mission just trying to drive through it . By now people would have lost interest in this reply post .. Ok im over my rant have at it pick it to peices.
Have a safe new year everyone :youbeauty
Steve
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You say that the condamine was your river. Sadly that is the attitude of many land holders, note that they are not river holders, just land holder who think they own the river. That is what has been stopped along the ovens and Murray rivers. Nobody owns the river
This statement is quite misleading and wrong, deeds are what you need to read.
I believe your intentions are good, however the facts do not hold up your argument.
Trespass is trespass, permission should be sought, before going onto any property and the landholders right of refusal should be respected.
Have a great year and may you enjoy your fishing.
Regards
Trev
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We arerobably getting away from the original thread a bit but what Mylestom has said has merit. If I owned property on a nice river frontage with a few kilometres of water at my back door I would be pretty careful who I let in. Sure you can drive a boat or whatever down the river but once you set foot on the land is where the problems start. I have a mate who owns land along the upper Clarence. His title says that he actually owns right to the middle of the river. He found this out after a particular guide was caught camping on his property without permission and he looked further into what his rights were. The guide was making money out of taking people fishing (not a problem) but not bothering to find out whose land he was camping on. There needs to be some sanity injected. At Carnham Crossing on the Clarence there is free camping and you should see the mess we've cleaned up there over the years. That includes the dickheads who think that every river bank needs to be driven up in their "Hiluxes". IT makes anything the farmers do pale by comparison.
JD
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I think alot of the problem is that (in my part of the world) all bed and banks of the rivers are owned by the state govt & the Qld Land Act has a loop hole that allow adjascent land owners to pretty much do as they please on the beds and banks with no accountability, nor any monetary recompense required. DERM basically wipe thier hands of their land & aren't interested in managing the resource. This includes little to no action in control or eradicate of pest plants, weeds and animals on their lands.
I've seen hundreds upon hundreds of examples of live stock being allowed to enter waterways, collapse of banks, riparian vegetation removal etc which all impacts on the waterway & the life it supports. There is often little or no regard for the welfare of the waterway until there's something that challenges the status quo ie drought flood or someone else grabs the water before they can (read over allocation of the water resource). Creeks & rivers are almost endemically regarded as a resource to be used/exploited. These deliver the water which is a consumable item for many land owners.
Now not all land owners abuse or take for granted the adjoining waterways, some do the right thing, fence their livestock from the beds & banks, some proactively are replanting native vegetation, control weeds etc, however in my experinces, these are the minority. Same as the trouble makers at reserves etc are a minority.
If we follow the logic of closing off access points because of a minority of trouble makers (often not anglers), should we also shut down all roads becuase one or two people speed in their cars/trucks/bikes? Of course not, because its just plain absurd.
I'm all for keeping access points open, once closed they are gone forever. I'll not sit idly let a lack of enforcement for littering be used as a reason to deny access for the majority who do the right thing. Again, same as on the roads, we have enforcement there to as a way to disuade the wrong doers, but where is the accountability & enforcement for the abuse of our native waterways? EPA is the watchdog but they don't seem ot want to touch non-tidal waters. Why? Because the EPA has been absorbed by DERM & DERMs operational guidelines are determined by various Govt Acts, one of these is the Land Act which allows the abuse with no accountability as mentioned above, so they do nothing......Can't go upsetting the bosses....... so EPA tend to stick to the rust water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btTzfjDysNE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btTzfjDysNE#)
I've got alot of other photos & videos showing neglect & abuse of our waterways by land owners.
For reference I've attached the Condamine Catchment info sheet from Qld Govt. It is interesting to read the Environmental Issues section, but is noteworthy that there is & has been positive changes to attitudes and practices. :thumbsup This should be applauded & encouraged :Clap)
BTW- you don't need a hilux to be an idiot. :o
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How can you compare QLD to the likes of NSW and VIC when these states have the full blown salt/freshwater fishing license..there is huge money generated to be spent on restocking and facilities in these states. Until QLD comes on board with a similar licences don't winge about the government not doing enough. I reckon the sooner the better...
Cheers
I put this link in another forum also as a similar discussion is being held on there: http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/recreational/fees (http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/recreational/fees)
Have a read and see how much of those fees are going to the NSW DPI..their license fees are funding a Dept..how ludicrous.
What Qld needs is for the Govt to do what they are supposed to do..provide for the residents of the State..that includes access and facilities and enforcement of regulations...we are continually being hit with increases in every sphere from Governments..so where does all this money go? Perhaps that is the first step..ascertaining where our tax money is currently being wasted..stop that bleeding and spend it for the betterment of all..and that includes vast improvements to all forms of recreational facilities.
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Any way
I am on the lookout for some Pink Ribbon Tape.
It will stay with me in the car.
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Any way
I am on the lookout for some Pink Ribbon Tape.
It will stay with me in the car.
Got a roll at my place if you want to call in. I got it from hardware store.
cheers,
fitz..
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IMO the law regarding river and creek frontage of land should state that all creeks must be fenced off from livestock except for designated crossing points and this should be done at least 10mt from the banks of the creek. Any vegetation damage that has occured within that area shoould be fixed ie the banks 10m either side if any water course should be revegetated. That 10m should be state land and anyone should be allowed access. No one has a right to own a natural watercourse annd hang anyone that thinks they do. I am sick and tired of seeing farmers clear right down to the waters edge. It the greatest environmental vandalism I have ever seen
Ps. This should not only apply to farmers. It should be accross the board. Any urban development should follow the same rules.
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Brett,
Very easy to put all farmers/landholders down on a format like this. Very irresponsible and all it will achieve is to get the back of all landholders.
A lot of the reasons are put forward are great for the fishing faternity, however how realistic are they for the average landholder.
To fence all river system at the the 10metre mark, who would pay, who would pay for replacment due to flood damage etc.
Let alone the repayment to landholder for the the loss of their property, 10m by a two or twenty or even hundred klms of land, now cant be utilised. Now we have to have water trough for all stock and pumping and wastage from the river.
It all sounds good, put up lots of photos and videos of cattle drinking at the river. Again it is a us and them mentality.
Buy some land yourself, do what you want, show us how to do it with your own money, and when you show how it can be done and still turnover a reasonable income, then some might listen to you.
As for me now retired, but we fenced off riverfrontage over 25years ago, planted wildlife corridors and all that you are talking about, including not allowing irresponsible fisherfold from pillage the cod, burning fence posts , leaving gates open , aborting heifers that the bull got in through the open gate. Cost of one irresponisble lot of fishermen that we agreed to let in, lets see, replace fence posts approx $1,000, abort 30 heifers (Vet fees, loss of production for twelve months for stud breeding) $60,000. That does not include own labour, and that is a conservative estimate, when our bull calves even from heifers fetch $5,000 to $10,000.
But enough of what my personal experience and loss, also the 16 cod taken the smallest was approx 15lb, that was their boast at the local pub.
Would you put up with this in any business you owned.
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Mylestom. I actually agree with much of what you are saying. The damage caused by irresponsible yahoos taking everything they catch and leaving rubbish and damage is just as disgraeful as the damage caused by cropping and livestock. And I know there are farmers that put in effort to look after the land(i have seen the results and talked to several of them) but from what I have seen in my years fishing is that those farmers are unfortunately in the minority. Given that the land was purchased with one set of rules in the first place then to change those rules and expect the farmers to cough up the dough would be the wrong thing to do so I belive the state should forcibly purchase the land back(the same way they would when building a road or dam).Most farmers on small properties allready run fences along rivers(only too close and kept in a poor state of repair) so the fencing issue is not a problem. Although on large stations with a low density of stock I believe this requirement could be waived. Trespass issues would not be a problem as all acess would be via public land not over private property and as for damage, well no rules are going too prevent tossers doing the wrong thing so in this case rulles should be enforced far harder. You are right about an us vs them mentality and that has been caused by idiots on both sides. This would be one way to prevent those idiots clashing. Bad farmers woould noot be the problem of the rivers and bad fishos/others would not be the problem of the farmers.
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Let alone the repayment to landholder for the the loss of their property, 10m by a two or twenty or even hundred klms of land, now cant be utilised. Now we have to have water trough for all stock and pumping and wastage from the river.
I don't know about a bugger zone beingn workable, but at a minimal the beds & banks should be, on the whole have restricted livestock access with designated watering points IMHO.
2000km of Victorian rivers have now been fenced off from livestock. Surely they saw the benefits & could affort it....
It all sounds good, put up lots of photos and videos of cattle drinking at the river. Again it is a us and them mentality.
Buy some land yourself, do what you want, show us how to do it with your own money, and when you show how it can be done and still turnover a reasonable income, then some might listen to you.
Not us & them, I grew up on the land as a kid & even then saw the damage our practices were doing, & that our relatives and neighbours.
So the oppinion of rec anglers & tax payers dont matter because they may or may not be a land owner? Wow, didn't know there was still a class system in Australia. I'd like to run that past the constitution, but after reading the Land Act, you appear to be correct.
As for me now retired, but we fenced off riverfrontage over 25years ago, planted wildlife corridors and all that you are talking about, including not allowing irresponsible fisherfold from pillage the cod, burning fence posts , leaving gates open , aborting heifers that the bull got in through the open gate. Cost of one irresponisble lot of fishermen that we agreed to let in, lets see, replace fence posts approx $1,000, abort 30 heifers (Vet fees, loss of production for twelve months for stud breeding) $60,000. That does not include own labour, and that is a conservative estimate, when our bull calves even from heifers fetch $5,000 to $10,000.
You & yours are to be commended. :Clap) There are grants available to support & encourage the efforts of people such as yourself, and there should be more of it. Much more. One a recent canoing trip down a river I spotted a couple of fellas hacking away in the scrub ob the river bank. I went over to chat to them; they were chipping out pest weeds. :thumb I gave them a big thankyou & asked if I could help out. They only wanted me to help spot more from the water for them.
But enough of what my personal experience and loss, also the 16 cod taken the smallest was approx 15lb, that was their boast at the local pub.
Education, enforcement, peer pressure & time will see these type die out. C:-) The days of a good days fishing being scored on how full the ice box is are gone. Yet I recently went to a relatives property in western Qld & they said lets go fishing,,,the fishing consisted of driving to the river & pulling up the permanently set fish trap..... Bad fishing attitudes aren't just the perogative of rec anglers, land owners have them as well.
Would you put up with this in any business you owned.
That's what I'm getting at with the issue with the land act & over allocation of water extraction. The beds & banks of our crown waterways are taken for granted & included in the business model. This is how the Murray Darling system go into so much trouble; little thoughts of the bigger sheme & those downstream. The rivers are for all Australians, our following generations & the animals that rely on the waterways for their very existence.
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A property I visited up north on the Broadsound re-invested in their business model. Re-fenced the whole property into a cell farm setup , mapped out watering troughs at key locations saving water & cost on maintenance, eliminated all stock from entering rivers (also helped to eliminate stock getting unknown nasties from upstream), eliminated the use of all organochlorides etc as the cell farming setup broke parasite breeding cycles, put in a pest animal/weed management system & guess what.... they were able to then change from bos indicus breeds to european breeds, selectively breed for growth & fertility. Once that was done they now carry more stock, better quality stock AND get a premium price for their beef at the markets thus earning more than they ever did before without the added cost of pesticides etc. Reinvestment paid for itself many times over. The river & land are better off at the same time.
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Just putting the other viewpoint across, my son is actually a Senior Environmental Scientiest with a couple decades of experience, so have a understanding from the viewpoint of the landholder, environmentalist and fisherman.
It is always good when the discussion cover all aspect of the subject, but at no time should all landholders/farmers be bundled into general comment. There a good and bad in all walks of life.
Being a Ex-serviceman and veteran, Advocate and many other hats, have seen just a little over the years, and realise that you have to look at anything from all perspectives.
Thats enough from me, over to you younger folks to come up with all the answers, the old brain need to have a rest a good fish this year.
Enjoy 2012.
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The talk about cattle really got my attention Fitzy and you are dead right .. Smart farming is productive farming and can be productive for both sides of the fence Farmer and Eco system.
Im guilty of having to tell guests to mind the chip ho in the passenger seat of my car where it lives, If ever i have spare time i just wander around chipping weeds.. force of habbit.
Steve
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Great to read thru this stuff, both sides. Real journalism is supposed to do that but rarely doesnt.
Wish we had 10000 more like Mylestom. :thumbsup like others said, peer pressure with a carrot/stick approach will bring everyone into line eventually. The best outcome is shared use water courses for best productivity and environment & respect of all stakeholders. Sustainability is the key. Ask yourself "can this be the same for my grandkids"?
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Before I retired I was a freelance photo journalist and did a lot of my work for the RM Williams magazine "Outback". I therefore spent a lot of time on very large cattle stations all over the country and found that the overwhelming attitude of most these land managers was to make sure the they left the land in better condition than they found it. Sure there have been far too many examples of overgrazing and over clearing, however this is only an example of a dying breed. Todays pastoralist considers him/herself to be a custodian of the land. The biggest problems of land use come for the hobby farmers and Pitt St farmers who really don't have a proper grasp on the situation. In the case of the really big stations most of the water points are bores anyway, there's really very little stream watering done.
JD
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Agreed John. The larger grazers that operate on huge stations with(as I said before) low stocking densities are not really a problem. Smaller beef and especially Dairy farms and most cropping entiprises are the problem. Just look at the state of most rivers and creeks in sugar cane and Bannana areas. And what really blows me away is that when you talk too the people that operate these farms they will swear black and blue that their efforts of draining swamps, clearing to the waters edge,de-snnagging the waterways so on and so forth have nothing to do with the degredation of the water. Apparently the only thing doing damage are the Feral pigs. It is this mentality that drives me nuts. Absolutely no different to the w@nker that talks about how back in the days they used to fill the bottom of the boat with trout and then turns around and wonders aloud why fish are so hard to catch nowadays. If only people would look themselves squarely in the eyes, admit that they are wrong and do something about it. Unfortunately though people like that are in the minority. And that is why I believe that the law needs to be changed.
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As a grower of horticulture for twenty years and land care coordinator for the past 10 I have some firsthand knowledge on this issue.
First off Trev if you’re still onboard with this thread your attitude to ownership (yes I understand it was not a literal comment) of the river is just the stuff we need :thumbsup. Landholders that look beyond the fence, particularly with regard to their off farm impacts are the backbone of land care without doubt and a pleasure for people like me to work with. Those landholders that have production outcomes as their only priority are the tough ones to get around, not impossible but hard work.
Small block holders - some are on the ball, whilst some have purchased a ‘green change’ and are ill prepared for that custodian roll that comes with land ownership. If they are still around in a decade and not sold up their attitudes generally start to change. Their biggest problem is their lack of resources (time and money) to be good land custodians unless the place has some production basis and is turning a profit.
Large landholders - pastoralists (or at least their managers) generally have a good understanding of land care, it’s a matter of a balancing act and clearly defined laws relating to their activities that are enforceable and enforced.
Often the missing link in change is the compliance component, a shortfall that sits squarely with Government and almost always under resourced much to the dismay of Agency staff working at that local and regional level that can see the issues but are helpless to deal with it.
Over here we have a 30 metre buffer reserve between waterway and freehold land. Pastoral land due to its vast size is a bit different. There the buffer exists there are two common complaints – one from the bordering landholder that the Government is not managing that land effectively and it is a haven for weeds and ferals – two from the Government that landholders are either impacting on that land with their practices or are coming onto the land and using it or managing it in some way. The odd landholder has run afoul of the law by controlling weeds on crown land.
A quick note on pastoral activities around waterways. With Government reluctant to manage buffer areas and as consequence no Agency wanting to put their hand up to take it on with no adequate funding attached at least we get some partial management through the landholder. The differences between the health of land managed by Government and landholders is often chalk and cheese due to that overarching lack of recourses allocated by Government. Policing, education and health all have their mouths well and truly entrenched in the Treasury trough. Agriculture and land care feed off the scraps unfortunately.
Access is the unseen destroyer of much of our environment, particularly when it comes to fires that burn for weeks as a result. Many fires are deliberately lit to clear an area to fish, hunt bush turkey or provide light. Look at the fire scars of Northern Australia at the end of the year and you get the picture http://www.firenorth.org.au/nafi2/ (http://www.firenorth.org.au/nafi2/) . My mention of track erosion in my 4WD post is something only landholders are aware of, they wear the consequences. Cut fences, gates left open and people keeping stock off watering points by camping there are just a few of the litany of problems faced by landholders trying to work on the land. Why tossers insist on driving down main tracks after rain just to test their 4WDing prowess is beyond me, it costs a landholder or the Shire thousands in road maintenance each year because of this sort of stuff.
If we had a simple choice of banning either agricultural production or recreational access in far Northern Australia as a means of improving the environment there is no doubt banning access would be the most effective tool. The cumulative impacts of individuals unaware of their impacts are a significant problem. I go back to fire as a good example. Its impact on our waterways is enormous but people don’t make the link. We’re an uneducated mob when it comes to our impacts on land and water. As neither will ever happen it’s a matter of fighting a rearguard action until we can get on top of it.
The above doesn’t apply in every situation; some landholders are arseholes, some river uses are much the same. There are all sorts all over and to go forward you have to look at the positives and use them as guiding lights. Just remember land care starts with the individual.
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Dick,
Nice words, its sometimes a little difficult to get the right/correct meaning across, but education and advancement in care especially weed control from governments in pastoral laneways, crown land, stock routes and waterways is a massive headache. Both for the adjacent landholders and the waterways.
Live at the coast now and the biggest problem with weeds etc. (State parks, National parks, world heritage area) no funding for weed/pest control and the government will crack down on a landholder for daring to clear what is coming onto his property.
Its worthwhile for some of our fellow fishermen/women to realise the difficulties faced by others.
It is not all about just one group, but a mixture of all.
Regards
Trev
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Got a roll at my place if you want to call in. I got it from hardware store.
cheers,
fitz..
Nah
all good mate. Went to the hardware myself.
100 meter roll / 25mm pink fluro tape. Was in the brickies section.
Now to get to work with it.
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This topic has certainly drawn some comment. My initial point was that it seems like Victoria has the right idea when it comes to use of land and access to waterways, actively promoting recreational fishing and other water activities and policing the areas. We drove between yarrawOnga and rutherglen on both sides
of the Murray this week and went down just abOut every access road to the Murray and ovens rivers. We saw hundreds of campers and enough rangers to police them. We didn't see any irresponsible behavior or rubbish. I have priced that the closer you get to big cities the more yobbo activity you find.
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Tagged my first sign post today.
Sunshine coast way(inland).
So bit of pick fluro ribbon is out there.
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Good work Steve :GoodPost)
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See if I can do a few more today AL.
Off now.
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Tagged my first sign post today.
Sunshine coast way(inland).
So bit of pick fluro ribbon is out there.
:youbeauty
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Tagged a sign and a tree today.