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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: toyota254 on February 21, 2012, 08:38:36 PM
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Hi All
I've just started getting into Barra fishing and have been reading a number of articles and a book by Johnny Mitchell on barra fishing.
The more I read and the more people I talk to the more questions I have. I am also looking at doing one of Johnny Mitchells Awoonga charters.
I am also looking at fishing the many estuaries Gladstone has to offer.
I have 4.2m tinny with a 30hp 2 stroke, should I be looking at getting an eletric outboard for it for trolling??
I am going to buy a new sounder, what would be better and best suited out of a Lowrance HDS or the elite DSI?
I have some low end Abu Garcia bait casters and was thinking of also getting a spin combo, I was thinking of a stradic 4000 on a shimano raider fire rod. Would this combo be suited to barra and estuary fishing?
Any info or advice you can offer would be appriciated
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Certainly your combo would be the goods for larger fish.With the rod I'd be looking at something in the 5 to 8kg range.
The Abu's may cut it, depending on size and line you've got on them. They are tough reels.
Apart from Awoonga the Barrage at Gladstone is also good fishing, as the outlet of the power station. (assuming there are some fish left that have not died during the recent disease outbreak)
Guides are always good to find out what the current lure pattern and technique are working and to show you the ropes. From what I have heard none of the guides at Awoonga are reporting much of a catch at the moment, albeit word is they are getting a few and keeping it quiet.
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Welcome aboard
Firstly, you’re on the right track with the Johnny Mitchell information, plus his first two barra dvd are a great source of information.
Johnny would be my number one choice for a barra charter and will significantly cut the learning curve.
Not having an electric motor is not insurmountable, but it definitely helps when trying to be stealthy. I use the electric to approach an area and then lower a silent anchor, large motor coupling with no chain to hold position. Until you get an electric, you can use the wind and current to approach an area.
As for the sounders, it like the old Ford and Holden argument, Lowrance / Humminbird, personally I would get the HDS as you can add the Structure Scan later. I’ve had a Lowrance hds structure scan for 2 years and I’m very happy with the performance, just wish I could have afforded a bigger screen at the time.
Nothing wrong with the Abu gear, its a bit agricultural like an old Fergie Tractor, but it’s damn reliable.
Spot on with the Stradic and Raider rod, I have the 4000 on a raider bass rod, which I use for barra. I prefer a whippier rod for barra fishing. Firstly, the main purpose of the rod is to deliver lures to the target zone and the whippier rod makes a great shock absorber for the jumps and head shakes.
That’s my two cents worth
Earl
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Binder,
Thanks for your info on the rods, the Abus seem pretty good and I have 30lb on one and 20lb braid on the other.
Have tried Awoonga but not overly seriously yet, we dropped a few claw pots on the weekend and got a 22cm one. I have tried the hot water outlet a few times but got nothing but sand fly bites. What are you referring to as the Barrage??
I have also been to Callemondah (both salt and fresh) and have had a number of hits and spat lures.
Earl,
I'd say a sounder is first on the to buy list at the moment, I did like the looks of the down scan pictures on the lowrance website but I'm not sure that's how good it will look in actual use. The HDS as a sounder looks good, and when I can afford it I can upgrade to side scan latter on.
So the stradic handles barra fairly well? It has a pretty decent drag rating on it.
I'll have a look at the raider bass rod, cheers for that.
Simon
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Your first investment should be in a sounder/gps combo. I prefer Humminbird, but yeah it is a Holden/Ford thing. Your 2 stroke 30 will get you by for trolling as long as it will idle smoothly at around 4kph. There is some argument for a rougher idling 2 stroke as a fish attactractant. A charter with either Johnny or Harro would be money well spent. If this is your home water it could save you a couple of years of toughing it out on your own. If you're mainly trolling, the old Abus should serve you well.
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Thanks Aussiebasser, thats good about the 2 stroke rattle / noisy idle not being a problem because mine has a fairly idle.
I got Johnnys 2 barra dvds last night and am looking forward to watching them.
Yeah mate I live in Gladstone so am pretty lucky with all the local fishing places close by.
Cheers,
Simon
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You're on the right track with Johnny Mitchell mate. There's also nothing wrong with ABU's either, they are one of the few baitcasters that has the levelwind track during a cast. In reality the fish won't know what you're using. As far as a sounder is concerned just get the best you can afford. I like a separate sounder/GPS but that's an individual choice. There's also nothing to choose from between those two, it may simply come down to price. If I had to choose, I'd get an electric motor before the sounder.
JD
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I'll prob get shot down for saying this but check out american sites when looking at sounders. Yer i know i should support australian companies and what happens if ya need warrenty but when i bought my humminbird sounder 6 months ago from america it was near half the price of them here in australia. Sure its in feet and miles but it dont bother me. I can easily convert it in my head the temp and speed and i always work in feet. Its just a option mate.
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Only the sounder..............?
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Just remember you will not have an australlian chart or warranty. I went the owrance HDS5 foor the fact that I could get the sounder/gps unit for half the price of the full structure scan price for either lowrance or humminbird and upgrade later on. Stradics are fine and the raider will do the job without a worry. If you are going to be casting more then go the electric over the sounder and visa versa if trolling is the prefered method.
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Yer down side is ya have to send back to america if have a problem. TOUCH WOOD!!! ;)
I too would go the electric over the sounder if ya into casting to the banks. But yer like he said if trollings ya go, go the sounder.
Last year i had my old sounder cr@p it self while fishing a dam and i was lost out in the open water without it. Went straight home and bought a new 1. I cant live without it when fishing. I fish with a fishing club a fair bit for bass and yellas. Alot of the blokes are old school fisherman with average sounders and they always wonder why i catch more or work certain areas alot. I put it all down to havin a good sounder, knowing how to read it and stick with it.
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I'd agree about buying Oz first but half price is hard to go past and it it's just an occasional purchase you'd have to give it some thought. I did with my current sounder a few years back when it was supposed to be released in Australia but the container was hijacked to USA and we missed out with no amended release date so I bit the bullet went through this site http://www.bonzerimports.com/ (http://www.bonzerimports.com/) Based on the service I got will always sing its praises particularly when the unit stopped working. The warrenty was sorted no worries as per the web site offer. The thing was over and back as quick as if it was done in Oz and I even got my tracks and waypoints pulled off the old unit and uploaded onto the new one.
As for JM he's OK I s'pose ;)
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Thanks for the advice guys. I have the navionics charts on my phone and I don't plan on going out past the islands so I don't think I need a GPS and sounder combo, I can put that money towards an electric motor later on. For now I think i'll focus on a new sounder.
Thanks for the link Dick Pasfield as well.
What sort of sounder should would be better for the type of fishing I want to do, a lowrance DSI or an actual 2D sonar sounder. The DSI in the photos clearly shows the structure (trees, weeds etc) which would be easier to read than a 2D sonar image which needs interpreting.
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I have a good mate whos a pro and trys alot of gear and recently when yarning about sounders he said the new side imaging and down imaging are great for barra but he recons the normal view sounders are better for bass fishing. If i fished barra alot i would def spend the bit more money and get the new side imaging. I love having a sounder/gps combo. Being able to hit a button, put the cursor on the stump, rock or bass school and marking it very easily is great.
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Hi Guys,
The original starter of this thread sounds a lot like me.
I’ve also just moved to Gladstone and I’ve bought a 4.2m Stessco tinny with a 30hp Tohatsu.
It has a Hummingbird Fishfinder/Sounder but no electric motor, live bait tank, storage compartments, all things I want to get for it.
This thread has answered a few of my questions but I thought I might add a few on here rather than start a whole new thread.
I have also considered doing a Barra charter at Awoonga to get a few pointers after three unsuccessful trips there (half arsed effort with the kids).
I also wouldn’t mind a local charter in the saltwater somewhere, for Barra and what ever else (did I mention I have never actually caught a Barramundi).
I live near the South Trees inlet boat ramp so I have been fishing and crabbing around there a bit and got a few crabs but no keepable fish.
I would just like to probe a few of the locals on this site for a few good local fishing spots ‘accessible’ by my tinny.
Some people reckon the point between Facing Island and Curits Island (near Rat Island) is a good place to get some fish, but I’m worried my little tinny might be a bit small and underpowered to make that trip. I don’t have a GPS and I don’t want to run into any rocks or sand banks which I’ve heard there’s a lot of around there.
I’d appreciate any advice.
Cheers
Tim
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G'Day Tim,
Sounds like your tinny is well set up. I also have a 4.2 tinny with a 30hp 2 stroke, it makes the run to Facing island and back on a single tank. Not under powered but it's also not the fastest boat out either (fully loaded with 3 adults). It can get a bit rough and wet.
I don't have a GPS on the boat either.
Cheers,
Simon
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G'day Tim. Don't stress over Awoonga just yet. # half assed trips without a fish doesn't count. I fish Tinaroo regularly and hard and still go several trips without a touch every now and again. Having said that though a trip with someone like JM would be worth 100 trips by yourself-As long as you really pay attention to the where, why and how of what you do. Don't tune out and just try and catch a fish or two. If you will be going up there on your own then the most impportant thing you will get from a guided trip is information and knowledge.
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Cheers guys.
Yeah my tinny could do with a bit more top end I think. That would help with the longer trips. Its currently a 9.9x11 ally prop so I could go the same size but in stainless or go for one with a larger pitch?? Not really sure.
Yeah I will definetly try Awoonga again. I've read that New Zealand Gully is a good place to go and I've bought every bloody lure that Barra are supposed to go for. Your normal hard bodies, soft plastic mullets and those Zman swimmerZ's and some soft frogs as well. Apparently the time of day you go has a lot to do with it too. I see most fishing comps start at 4pm and they catch barra well into the night. Why cant a barra just eat my lure at lunch time when its sunny :D
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Hey Toyota
An trip with johnny mitchel is money well spent mate , i booked a charter with him when i first moved to gladestone in 2008 and it opened up my eyes and learnt a shitload! I had been fishing monduran for 4 years proir to going on a charter with him so wasn't a newbie but he's a freak when it comes to barra!! U don't need an electric and after going with johnny mitchel i found i used mine less , they are handy obviously but don't stress if u don't have one!! Be prepared to put in many hours of casting though as they can be very hot and cold and especially after the recent floods i've heard it's tough..
They still gotta eat but and there's still fish in there!
Can't recomend Johnny enough though mate , matter of fact Earl wouldn't have that Big Barra in his arms if it wasn't for the info i learnt from Johnny on the Charter... Jeez thats a great pic , wonder who took that ;D
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Hey RB30X my bother used to live up gladstone years ago and i used to fish there a bit. I use to fish alot of the bridges and pylons with plastic and get some top fish. I cant remember the name of the area but the 1 on ya right when travellin between boyne island and gladstone, i use to hit all the pylons and my favourite was the bridge with the conveyor belt out towards mouth. 1 session we landed heaps of threadfin and barra on plastics. I also use to fish the bridges and rockwalls around the harbour. Use to catch some nice bream. The mouth of the boyne there used to be a heap of rocks out from the boat ramp. When we use to feel like good feed of bream we would anchor up from them and float baits down into them. Was nothing to bag out on bream. This was a fair few years ago but maybe worth a try.
I havn hit awonga since the big floods. Caught some nice barra in the new zealand creek area and troll lures out from there in the deep water. When i go up there i usually read every report i can and read every tournament report i can. They are usually flitched on and go try the areas they hit. Try to fish the bank the wind is pushing the water into as it generally holds warmer water and can sometimes bring on more fish. Im no expert but thats just what i do. Maybe look at doing a inland trip to callide as well. Top little dam and i've never missed there and i believe from all reports its starting to fish like it use to before the big fish kills a couple years ago. Best of luck anyway.
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I've been getting stuck into the South Trees inlet area a bit lately. Been trying lots of crabbing spots but there is a lot of people doing the same and its very frustrating but I'm sure there are people out there that go crabbing without any pots if you know what I mean.
I've checked some pots after a qucik fish before leaving them in overnight and there might be a small make or large female in there and in the morning I go back and there's nothing, not even any bait. You must have to hide them pretty bloody good to stop people finding them.
Fishing wise, I've tried a few random spots with the kids and they've all pulled in a few species other than catfish. A few bream, a sikle fish and a few cod. No whiting or flathead yet which would be a bonus.
I even went all the way up to the QAL conveyor the other day and fished under the bridge, towards the ocean and back up in the creek and got nothing on hooks or trolling. That was with the tide going out hard.
I'm got some family coming to visit soon and I want to find a good spot to take them so we can at least catch a couple of keepers (eaters) while they're here.
I'll keep trying.