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General Category => Polls => Topic started by: Editor on May 04, 2011, 08:19:56 PM
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Would you like to have improved access to Lake Samsonvale (North Pine Dam) on Brisbane's north side?
Do you currently pay for a Boating Access Scheme Permit or would you pay for one if the area was expanded or would you prefer the whole lake to be opened to the general public?
Tell us what you think................
You can vote for two options to best cover your preference. You can only see the results after you have voted.
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Dont like the fact that it is on the SIP scheme and you need to go into the chook raffle to get on it and pay for access.
Just my 0.02 cents. Round that down if you like
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Have not had the "raffle" for a couple of years now, its first come first serve.
I voted for kayak / canoe access for the general public in the main basin. Best solution in my opinion.
If they give electric boat access to the public, it would probably mean having to ditch the BAS (with a corresponding decrease in funds available for stocking).
Probably just make it that PRFMA members get boat access at their lease as part of their membership, same deal as most other clubs with their own access points to SEQ water work.
PS I pay for access under the BAS scheme, (And obviously a PRFMA member), happy to pay, even though I mostly only use it during kids school holidays. I know the funds go in to adding fish, certainly dont begrudge that. I am also happy that it is now on the SIP, it now means all those land based people who have been catching the stocked fish are now also contributing to the costs of stocking the dam. Having the DAM on the SIP is particularly important when you consider that when the dam drops below 40 odd percent the BAS scheme cant run and their is no income stream for stocking fish without the SIP. (During the drought, there were several years where no fish went in to the dam, part of the reason numbers of fish caught currently are not great).
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Surely the SIP is enough. It works for Wivenhoe, Somerset, Bjelke Petersen, Boondooma, Maroon, Moogerah, Leslie, Tinaroo, Monduran, Lenthalls, etc. The only other place where you have to pay the stocking group directly to access the water on top of the SIP is Hinze. Many fishos see this as double dipping.
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I was of the understanding that BAS was going to be dropped if NPD went onto the SIP scheme..? and if not why not..
Now what will happened if NPD starts to become a great Bass fishery using the extra money from the BAS ??
How long will it be that other dams on the SIP scheme start going to either there local councils or water boards asking for permission to lock up access to those lakes so that they may get more money to drive up the stocking rates/figures.
Boom gates are starting to pop up all over the place and fee's are being asked to get access to some dams, I believe if things keep going along those lines the dams/lakes that have free access will start getting over fished it may not happened today or tomorrow but in the next couple of years, it will be interesting to hear people thoughts.
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I believe all dams that are part of the SIP should be accessible by all.
For me being in a kayak I should be able to launch at an open public access area and in NPD case be able to fish the entire dam that is open to every other group that uses the dam. Kayakers should not need to pay extra to access any dam as a kayaker requires only a bank open to the water to launch. So if NPD is part of SIP, all I need to fish there is the SIP.
Boating permits for the dams, I feel that there should be one boating permit that applies to all the dams, meaning why does a boat owner need to pay a fee to use Somerset and Wivenhoe and then cough up another fee to use NPD.
Cheers
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It would be great to get access to the main basin at NPD. I guess SEQWater aren't ready for that yet. They own Wivenhoe and Somerset as well, so NPD's location and vicinity to urban areas might have something to do with it.... Public liability and risk might be a factor when granting access and how much that costs ???
Cheers
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Sorry fella's cant attempt to address your issues, perhaps attending a meeting of the PRFMA and asking those questions?
I would say to Sel, that some form of segregation of activities on dams is useful, so access to all of a dam is not necessarily the best solution. (Who wouldn't want skiers segregated for example) Many dams have no fishing, no entry, no wash areas.
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First off I am proud to be a menber of the PRFMA and also have had a BAS since the second year that the permit system started.
The views that I express are mine and not necessarly those of the PRFMA.
Steven M wrote.
Dont like the fact that it is on the SIP scheme and you need to go into the chook raffle to get on it and pay for access.
Could you please explain the difference between a boating permit for Somerset/Wivenhoe and NPD.
The only time a ballot for permits was held was the inaugural year when only 100 permits were allowed.Sinjce then the total permits sold have never met the ceiling. There are plenty of permits available for the current period which commenced on Wednesday.
Aussiebasser said.
Surely the SIP is enough. It works for Wivenhoe, Somerset, Bjelke Petersen, Boondooma, Maroon, Moogerah, Leslie, Tinaroo, Monduran, Lenthalls, etc. The only other place where you have to pay the stocking group directly to access the water on top of the SIP is Hinze. Many fishos see this as double dipping.
Hinze is not part of the SIP they used to get a lot of support from the Gold Coast Council and the Rangers used to sell permits for them.This no longer happens and with only 3 outlets selling permits they must really be struggleing.
The monies that PRFMA recieve from the SIP scheme are only aprox half those raised by the PRFMA and all monies raised go into stocking fingerlings. Even with the extra monies from the SIP we do not come close to stocking at the optimum levels.
Are you a member of all these stocking assns that you can comment that the SIP monies are sufficient for them to operate effectively because the last that I heard was that Lenthalls are really struggleing and had to make a decision that they could not afford to stock a significant number of barra fingerlings due to the cost.
Macdonalds said.
I was of the understanding that BAS was going to be dropped if NPD went onto the SIP scheme..? and if not why not..
Now what will happened if NPD starts to become a great Bass fishery using the extra money from the BAS ??
First that I have heard about the BAS being dropped.
It was a good bass fishery before the SIP monies becoming available.
My own comments:-
I would certainly like to see more areas of the dam opened to boating access but unless another ramp can be found in the Kobble creek arm there is a significant problem with battery power to reach additional areas from the current ramp.
Maybe a solution is using similar restrictions such as those at Lenthalls with a 6 knot speed limit and 4 stroke or fuel injected 2 strokes with a 60hp limit.
As far as giving more shore based access there is already a large amount of shoreline available that the Rangers struggle with looking after cleaning up after the grots.
I would also suggest having a look at the PRFMA website and see what we really do.
http://www.prfma.com.au/
Cheers
Ray
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First off I am proud to be a menber of the PRFMA and also have had a BAS since the second year that the permit system started.
The views that I express are mine and not necessarly those of the PRFMA.
Steven M wrote.
Dont like the fact that it is on the SIP scheme and you need to go into the chook raffle to get on it and pay for access.
Could you please explain the difference between a boating permit for Somerset/Wivenhoe and NPD.
The only time a ballot for permits was held was the inaugural year when only 100 permits were allowed.Sinjce then the total permits sold have never met the ceiling. There are plenty of permits available for the current period which commenced on Wednesday.
Cheers
Ray
Since you asked so nicely Ray
I dont need a permit to fish Wivenhoe or Somerset from my kayak
And I dont need a boating permit to fish Hinze from my Kayak ( yes I can pay 5 bucks for a days access) or pay 45 from memory for a year.
Why do I need a Permit besides my SIP to fish NPD. My choice will never to give my choice of coin allocation to NPD for that reason. It can get the governments coffers coin on surface area but not my bit extra.
I can understand when it was not on the SIP scheme but now that it is it should be all in.
Does that suffice?
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Steve.
Hinze dam permit is a fishing permit not a boating or kayaking permit.
You need the permit even if you fish from the shoreline.When the rangers were Gold coast council they used to police this. Cost is $40 per year.
I think that the wording for the boating permit for Somerset/wivenhoe says if you transport the vessell by a trailer a permit is required so if you transport your yak on a trailer technically you need a permit.
I really fail to understand why yaks should be exempt from fees as while in some instances yakkers may launch from the shore they still have to access the shore line and use the facilities such as roads and parks to access the water.
Cheers
Ray
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I'd like to see the whole of Lake Samsonvale open to public access for kayaking, boating, fishing on a similar basis to other SEQWater operated lakes. A safety zone around dam wall is of course to be expected.
There is a difference between low imact kayaking & canoeing to wake boating, both to the lake, the water & to other users. There's enough open water in the salt and at various lakes around SEQ where water skiing, wake boating & PWCs dominate the waterway; it is taking your life into your own hands kayaking when the doof doof boats are around.
Let's face it, many of the deeper stratifying bass lakes often produce some of the best fishing on the flats & break lines in the main Basin, NPD is no different. I've been out in the main basin at NPD & caught some cracker bass & golden perch out there. Yep, it would be great to be able to do that on any given day.
Even those who buy a BAS permit can't get to the main basin.
So all these good fish are out there (if they haven't gone over the wall in a flood) with nobody able to fish for them until the fish moved into the river arm, or within casting distance one of the few public access points, or go over the wall.
IMHO if the BAS permit area was extened to cover the main basin & up around the wind jockey exclusive use zone it would solve the issues. This, or just adopt a similar system to Wivenhoe where you can launch at various places if you have SIP and boating permit (if needed for a trailerable boat) where the boating permit fees collected contribute to ramp maintenance.
Lake Samsonvale is a fair sized body of water. With the SIP allocation being based 50% on surface area it will get some good injection of funds ($14,851 in 2010). Perhaps if it was based on the area of water that can be accessed it might seem fairer to some I can imagine. However this funding is also based 50% on angler preferences, with the restricted access Lake Samsonvale is never going to rate well; the opportunity exists to almost double the funds injection for fish stocking if more anglers "ticked" it.
To back this up, take a look at the following comparison.
Lake Surface Area 2010 SIP funds
Somerset 4200 hectares $71 047
Samsonvale 2200 hectares $14 851
Based on surface area allocation, Samsonvale should get just over half of what Somerset does (say $28 - 30k), but it didn't; angler perferences made all the difference.
If you take 100 fish per hectare / annum as a maximum maintenance stocking rate (based on DPI&F recommendation) & if we say you can buy bass at 25cents each, Samsonvale would need 220 000 fish costing $55 000 / annum. This is of course very general figures but gives an idea of what it would take, based on DPI&F to maintain a recreational fishery with full access. Factor in the close proximity of Samsonvale to Brisbane, if this lake were to have a more reasonable access the angler preference could easily exceed that of the even the most popular (eg Somerset, Monduran, Tinaroo etc)& rocket upto $40k+ a year giving a stocking rate of around 160 000 fish per annum (70 - 75% to peak stocking rate) without having to run a single chook raffle.
To get the same stocking ratio at Somerset it would take around $105k per annum, or 5-10% more (apples for apples) to reach max stocking density. Based on the fact that Somerset has never been stocked to its maximum yet still produces trophy fish even with in excess of 1000 angler days / week says that max stocking densities are not needed to create & maintain a top class fishery. IMHO $35k / annum would nail it & still be able to handle similar angler pressure to Somerset; half the angler pressure = halve the need for stocking = half the money needed. This brings it back to $17.5k... The SIP almost covers it if the status quo is maintained.
Did I lose anyone there?? ;D
Anyhow, all that gobeldygook aside, I recon it's a good thing if people can just go fishing, the easier it is for them, the more we will see kids fishing in the future into adulthood. It's better than bloody playstation..... :thumbsup
fitz..
PS- And for the record. I supported the application of Lake Samosnvale (North Pine Dam) to be added to the SIP scheme at the FMAC.
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Some very valid points there Fitzy.
Maybe this is something that PRFMA may have to concider in regards to the SIP on Lake Samsonvale and the possibility in dropping the BAS. It may benefit the group more, but I'm not one to judge.
I have plenty of impoundments to fish up this way however I know if the BAS was dropped, I would fish Lake Samsonvale once or twice maybe even more per year.
Lake Samsonvale is where I used to fish on weekends as a young fella growing up in what was then a country town. This is where I gained my passion for freshwater fishing be that we mainly caught Catfish and Spangled Perch before other species were introduced. It would be great to go back and visit and wet a line.
I personally would like to see the fishery open to all anglers to fish on the water.
Cheers Dave
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Ah, Fitzy, I think you have the dollars around the wrong way for NPD and somerset?
edit: Yes he did, I've fixed it. Dale
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Could you please explain the difference between a boating permit for Somerset/Wivenhoe and NPD.
Are you a member of all these stocking assns that you can comment that the SIP monies are sufficient for them to operate effectively because the last that I heard was that Lenthalls are really struggleing and had to make a decision that they could not afford to stock a significant number of barra fingerlings due to the cost.
Cheers
Ray
The difference between a boating permit for Somerset and Wivenhoe and a BAS permit for North Pine is that the money for Somerset and Wivenhoe permits goes to the Water Board, while the money for North Pine permits goes to PRFMA. My knowledge of Hinze was incorrect, therefore Lake Samsonvale is unique, in South East Queensland at least, in that you need to pay a fee to the Government and a fee to the local fish stocking group to fish it. This is what I meant by double dipping.
I don't know of a lake in Queensland that is stocked to it's maximum potential, however I do know that lakes that are over stocked will produce stunted fish. The emphasis on most lakes is finding a happy medium where people can catch "trophy" fish. As an example, Somerset is a fishery where people can go and have a reasonable chance of catching a good feed of fish. Yes, kill them and take them home. Wivenhoe is a fishery where people have more of a chance of catching a "trophy" fish. This has occured by: a. The nature of the dams. b. The fact that Wivenhoe gets less fishing pressure, (although that is changing) and c. The Stocking Group work towards this happening with the mix of fish released into the Dams.
As you are fully aware, I am a member (life member now) of SWFSA. This group is responsible for stocking the two best Bass, Golden Perch and Silver Perch lakes in South East Queensland with the highest angler pressure. Since the SIP scheme implementation, yes, we have maintained stocks using SIP funds, very rarely spending more than the allotted allocation, and never discussing at a meeting the need for us to charge the general public a fee to use the facility.
Barra fingerlings are about four times the cost of Bass fingerlings, so obviously stocking greater numbers of Barra will cost four times more than Bass, simple arithmetic should tell you that.
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Oh, for the record, it wasn't me who voted to run the Bass Boat on NPD.
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Oh, for the record, it wasn't me who voted to run the Bass Boat on NPD.
Thats not a bass boat, its a pimp mobile the wheels have fallen off!
So you would rather the $100 for Wivanhoe (for new permits, and the equivilent of the permit fee for NPD) goes to the government, rather than it going to fish stocking as it does for NPD :o
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I think we should be grateful that the PRFMA gained access to this dam for electric and manually powered craft in the first place. After all we were only allowed limited bank access to fish this dam up until the BAS started. I don't understand why people have got it in for the PRFMA for charging the BAS fee as it has been stated before that most of this money goes into restocking this dam. The more money that can be raised for restocking the better in my opinion. If people don't like having to pay to take their boat/kayak on the North Pine River arm of the dam then just go and sit at Bullocky rest and wet a line from the bank or go fishing at another dam. I am more than happy to pay for this access to relax while almost silently making my way downstream trolling for a Bass. A good meal and session at the pub will cost you more than the permit fee these days! :youbeauty
Regards
Adrian
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I am a member of PRFMA, currently the stocking coordinator and a member of the executive committee.
My own personal opinion is that Lake Samsonvale should have open public access for manual and electric craft only.
The BAS scheme is what is in place currently, this may change, to be perfectly frank it involves a considerable amount of time to administer and maintain the site.
All of this is done by members voluntarily. There seems to be a general view that the PRFMA is some sort of private club ( elitist among other words I have seen used ).
This may have been true to some extent in the past, but is definately not the view of the current executive and members. The PRFMA is a community group who stock and manage the the Lake Samsonvale fishery (as well as various others ) for the benefit of ALL and will continue to do so.
Have just received the SIPS allocation for Lake Samsonvale this year $13 457, at this point in time approximately 200 permits have been sold.
Whatever the outcome of the SEQ Water recreational review currently being undertaken PRFMA will continue to maintain and improve the fishery.
cheers
Steve.
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Ah, Fitzy, I think you have the dollars around the wrong way for NPD and somerset?
Thanks & thanks fellas. :thanks
fitz..
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I don't see the topic as a PRFMA and/or BAS witch hunt, that area is only a fraction of the lake. I see the potential of this lake as being out on the main basin, so it has little or nothing to do with the PRFMA / BAS, more to do with government policy. I see the by the votes so far, only one has voted to maintain the access status quo, all others lean towards more reasonable public access, me included.
How good would it be if average Joe that has his SIP could go drop his canoe in and go fishing without having to jump through more hoops?
Regarding the difference between SEQWater Boating Permit & the BAS permit..... SEQWater boating permit is $75 / annum to renew ($100 first time), if you have it you can access all areas of the lake that anyone else can, & you get both Wivenhoe & Somerset on same permit for same price, you only need ask for both to be checked. All of the monies from SEQWater Boating Permit go back into facilities, ramps etc (actually it runs at a significant loss) but these facilities alos provide for anyone to come and have a picnic, fish from the shore, bird watchers etc etc, not an exclusive just to permit holders. SEQWater also spend on average $30k / annum on fish restocking.
BAS at Adsets Rd is for permit holders only. Access to only part of the lake. Moneys raised maintain the access site for PRFMA & restock fish into the lake. Nobody can make the fish stay in the BAS area so shore based anglers at the few other access points can catch the odd one as well. Same goes for the fish stocked from SIP funds.
I've had ppl compare the BAS at NPD to say the Brisbane Valley Sailing Club wanting an exclusive use of the lake from Billies Bay to Platypus cliffs... not entirely the same but I can understand their views.
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I recon the BAS is ok, leave it be for those that want to pay the $$. If you don't like it, don't pay it. Where anglers stand to pickup is the openning of the main basin of the lake to access. This I recon is where we should focus our energies. :thumbsup
fitz..
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Fitz,
Agree with you 100%, it is a crying shame that there is no access to the main basin or the Kobble ck. arm for that matter. I have myself been fortunate to have fished pretty much all of the dam on a few occasions. Prior to SEQ Water setting the boundaries on shore based access have also walked most of the bank from all of the public access points. The bottom line is Lake Samsonvale is a very good fishery (and not just for Bass) which is at present under utilised and recieves minimal fishing pressure.
cheers
Steve.
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My last 2 sessions at NPD were 22 bass and one yella and a few days before that 34 bass, the biggest was 34cm we hope that the bigger fish show up during winter, otherwise we have a lot of stocking to do, no matter where the money comes from.
I would also like to see the whole dam opened up to all users, I cant see any sense in paying for a boating permit if canoes and kayaks can fish free in the main basin,after all we are all fishing. I feel the fairest way allround would be to open it all up to all users and everyone pay thier sips to fish. It would initialy cop a hiding being so close to Brisbane but I feel itwould settle down after awhile as long as it was stocked properly.
Dino
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Other things to consider here is if the only access is via bullocky rest then that area will quickly get a lot of traffic and the fish will just move further up the dam. Then we would need more access points, this would mean more money, who would pay, even to get a bit of grass to launch your yak has to be maintained by somebody, because its public access this is a little different to putting the yak in the local creek. By the way I yak as well. Ithink there would have to be at least 2 access points, one in the middle and one at bullockies, like Hienze dam where they have east and west arm access. If SEQ water were to have Sommerset, Wivenhoe and North Pine dams on the same boating permits then everyone would benefit.
Dino
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If SEQ water were to have Sommerset, Wivenhoe and North Pine dams on the same boating permits then everyone would benefit.
Dino
And yaks pay for access the same as boats.
I do not see how the increase of sips sold would cover the lost revenue from the bas scheme so some way would have to be found to make up the shortfall in available funds for stocking.
Looking at SEQ waters history in closing off access points to Wivenhoe I think that we are dreaming if we thinjk that they will provide additional access points and ramps.
We are dealing with a business whose core role is to provide a water supply and they have no interest in spending money on things that will provide no return on their capital.
A good recent example of how much they care is the way they stuffed up the new ramps at Hinze dam. They couldnt even design them to Australian standards and show no interest in fixing the problem.
It is an entirely different kettle of fish from when Pine Rivers shire ran the dam. They were very progressive in their thinking and did everything in their power to promote local leisure and tourism facilities in their shire.
Cheers
Ray
Cheers
Ray
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Looking at SEQ waters history in closing off access points to Wivenhoe I think that we are dreaming if we thinjk that they will provide additional access points and ramps.
Cheers
Ray
Cheers
Ray
Yep, was a sore point that Wivenhoe was the sacrificial lamb to free up maintenance funds to be spent on other lakes to keep their access points open. And lease access point over to club for private use similar to BAS at Samsonvale)
However there is still access to Wivenhoe:
Cormorant Bay - free public access with good facilities - shore fishing
Dam Wall / Info Centre - free public access with facilities - shore fishing
Captain Logans Camp - free day access. Camping sites, good facilities, shore fishing or bank launching
Mumley Hill - free day access. Camping sites, good facilities, shore fishing or bank launching
Logans Inlet - free public access with good facilites - shore fishing or launching. Concrete Ramp
Hamon Cove - free public access with basic facilites - shore fishing or launching. Concrete Ramp
O'Shea's Crossing - free public access with good facilites - shore fishing or bank launching
Somerset Park - free public access with good facilites - shore fishing or bank launching
Branch Creek - free public access with good facilites - shore fishing or bank launching
Fulham Road Bridge - free public access shore fishing or bank launching. no facilities
Dundas Bridges - free public access shore fishing. no facilities
For those that want to pay for access via a club there are the following options:
Hayes Landing - Sailing Club
Maclean Point - Coominya Fishing Club
Murrumba Point - Grand Wivenhoe Fishing Club
Sheepstation Inlet - Qld Rowing
See map below showing Wivenhoe locations
View Wivenhoe in a larger map
Submission have been made to have Billies Bay reopened to the general public. Fingers crossed this becomes a reality.
Hope that helps,
Fitzy..
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:thanks
Billies bay access reopened would be great. Then all we would require would be to stop stocking forkies. :-[
Cheers
Ray
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:thanks
Then all we would require would be to stop stocking forkies. :-[
Cheers
Ray
Looks like NPD & Somerset have had forkies stocked as well...... :'(
fitz..
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Don't need a ramp for a kayak. A car park is all that is needed at most. Water quality dictates non-fuel powered craft. (Imho I believe leccies have the capacity to pollute should a battery be lost overboard). Wind, paddle, pedal or gumboots. When all is said and done the dam, make that all dams, are a result of a river that has been taken away from the public. Give it back!
Cheers John.
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someone still has to maintain the car park or the grassed area to launch your yak
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"leccies have the capacity to pollute should a battery be lost overboard"
The majority of batteries sold nowdays are sealed in fact they were mandatory at baroon pocket when it was under Aquagen.
The batteries also had to be adequatly secured so that they did not fall out of the boat in the event of a capsize.
They also banned yaks and canoes with leccies.
Dont know now that SEQ water have it.
Cheers
Ray
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When NPD was low, the fishing from the bank was great, mainly due to more available areas to fish. Now that it's full access is more limited.
Please give me 100% dam access for a yak and I'll happily pay my BAS, but not until then (my reasons have been outlined before).
I'll just fish Lake K for now, at least the bank fishing is good.
Norm
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My biggest concern in opening up north pined am to anybody is that that because it is close to brisbane it mite get over run with inexperienced people in cheap plastic kayaks. I reckon anyone who kayaks at somerset or wivenhoe would be use to planning the trip and prepared to spend money on petrol food etc to travel their and would mist likely plan fishing and safety and equipment better than someone who just had to drive 5 minutes down the road. Similarly if someone paid $100 for a fishing permit they would properly be better organised with less spur if the moment decisions like I often see people kayaking in small kayaks without pdf's in the bay in bad weather.
I properly haven't explained this as I mean it so my apologies but this is why I am happy to pay the prfma for a permit. I think they do a good job as well.
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My biggest concern in opening up north pined am to anybody is that that because it is close to brisbane it mite get over run with inexperienced people in cheap plastic kayaks. I reckon anyone who kayaks at somerset or wivenhoe would be use to planning the trip and prepared to spend money on petrol food etc to travel their and would mist likely plan fishing and safety and equipment better than someone who just had to drive 5 minutes down the road. Similarly if someone paid $100 for a fishing permit they would properly be better organised with less spur if the moment decisions like I often see people kayaking in small kayaks without pdf's in the bay in bad weather.
I properly haven't explained this as I mean it so my apologies but this is why I am happy to pay the prfma for a permit. I think they do a good job as well.
Certainly more people would choose to use this lake , but along with more use comes more money through the SIP . The notion of more inexperienced yakkers turning up is a furphy . We were all newbies at it at some stage . You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work a yak , whether that be on a lake , canal , creek or river . Nothing beats 'going light' for a quick fishing session i.e. 1 rod , a small amount of lures , can of drink and a spare hour or so. Common sense is all that is required and to stay within your physical limits .
Even IF this lake was given back to the people to access more freely , how many extras would really turn up?
I say this from the point of view using the Brisbane river bass turkey shoot as an example , yes plenty of extra fishos working the banks , but anecdotally not a noticeable increase in the amount of canoes /yaks plying the waters of the middle brisbane. And thats after the good bite has been telegraphed far and wide !!! Nothing demoralises a newbie quicker than not catching any fish.
If water quality is the issue with NPD , what makes them different to Wivenhoe or the middle brisbane river? Wivenhoe has an electric only rule , yet below Wivenhoe there is no law against the use of petrol engined boats in the river . The drinking water is not pumped from the river until it reaches Mt Crosby. Therefore why is NPD so anal about the use of canoes/kayaks in their dam?
Cheers,
Dave.
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Well SEQ Water have more or less promised the draft management plan for North Pine by the end of the month, so we shouldn't be left holding our breathe for much longer to see their ideas!
Personally I believe yaks in the main basin might be in with a shot as it requires virtually no infrastructure, any sort of boat access is looking at 1/4 mill for a basic boat ramp, so very doubtful.
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Looking at the votes in the poll to date, there is a definate trend there; one that SEQWater should be taking on board. :tick
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Well, a good week in to July, the "definitely by the end of June" release date for the draft management plan for NPD didn't happen!
Hopefully it wont be far away.
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They have released it but its a secret. :o
CHeers
Ray
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No word as yet, will make some enquiries monday.
Being an optimist one of my yaks is locked up a couple of hundred meters from the dam ready to go ;D
cheers
Steve
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Be nice eh?
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Yes it would, BIG school of Bass has been appearing randomly off Macgavin View for the last couple of weeks.
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Yes it would, BIG school of Bass has been appearing randomly off Macgavin View for the last couple of weeks.
I was up there last weekend with the kids having a swing and I must admit, thoughts of a surf rod with a 25gram slug hanging off it crossed my mind Steve.
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I was up there last weekend with the kids having a swing and I must admit, thoughts of a surf rod with a 25gram slug hanging off it crossed my mind Steve.
We were all doing exactly that 2 or 3 years ago and cleaning up!
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Well, a good week in to July, the "definitely by the end of June" release date for the draft management plan for NPD didn't happen!
Hopefully it wont be far away.
:popcorn) 3 months later.
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At the last meeting with SEQ Water, Rec Management Plan for Lake Samsonvale and Kurwongbah some time in January 2012.
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Doesnt really matter with all the fish that went over the wall and lack of fish being caught in the dam combined with the low stocking of bass this year its going to be years before any decent numbers of large bass reappear.
Cheers
Ray
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Don't give up on it yet Ray. The dams have been going over for years and they always bounce back.
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At the last meeting with SEQ Water, Rec Management Plan for Lake Samsonvale and Kurwongbah some time in January 2012.
Bugger!
That could be either an advantage, or mean a longer delay, with the "kick Bligh out" weekend due in March. She might even be short enough of votes to actually do something for fisho's!
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Figured I'd bump this thread, since it's now mid-January.
I don't think I'll be kayaking on Samsonvale any time soon, but as a kid I used to fish up the Kobble Creek arm, at the old cemetery and where it butts up against Mt Samson Rd. A lovely place, and a real shame that it's closed to fishing now. Actually, here's a couple of old pics I took out there, once upon a time:
(http://blondgecko.smugmug.com/Landscapes/Images-of-Australia/Orion-Taurus/49569497_oVKEx-M.jpg)
(http://blondgecko.smugmug.com/Landscapes/A-night-in-the-cemetery/IMG8372/289632153_b6zif-L.jpg)
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Doesnt really matter with all the fish that went over the wall and lack of fish being caught in the dam combined with the low stocking of bass this year its going to be years before any decent numbers of large bass reappear.
Cheers
Ray
250 000 + since you posted this Ray, that enough ?
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UPDATE will see the Draft after the Flood Inquiry :popcorn)
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UPDATE will see the Draft after the Flood Inquiry :popcorn)
Plus a heap of yellas going in on Thursday.
Cheers
Ray
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:))
UPDATE will see the Draft after the Flood Inquiry :popcorn)
Not holding my breath. I feel it in my water that we wont like what we get.