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Title: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: elops on October 25, 2012, 11:46:38 AM
The PRFMA stocked the first fingerlings of the 12/13 season on sunday 21.10.12 with 18 000 Aust. Bass released in Lake Kurwongbah, this stocking was funded by the grant from Moreton Bay Regional Council.
19 000 Aust. Bass were released into Lake Samsonvale funded by the SIPS allocation.
There will another 20 000 Aust. Bass released into Lake Samsonvale on sunday 28.10.12.
Aust. Bass fingerlings supplied by Sunland Fish Hatchery from the new hatchery.   
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Binder on October 25, 2012, 08:08:15 PM
Where you putting them in Sunday Steve?
Not had a chance to help out at all this year.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: beau on October 26, 2012, 06:38:41 AM
Well done prfma  :youbeauty
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Sweetwater on October 26, 2012, 08:43:26 PM
Great sutff folks. More fish in those lakes = better fishing opportunities & less tilapia.  :Clap)
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Novice on October 26, 2012, 11:01:54 PM
Great sutff folks. More fish in those lakes = better fishing opportunities & less tilapia.  :Clap)

Better fishing opportunities would be if you could take a canoe or kayak to one of the lakes and didn't need to have an elitist boating permit for the other. When's the management plan coming out again?
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: rayke1938 on October 27, 2012, 05:36:25 AM
Without the boating access permits the PRFMA would not be viable and there would be no fish going into either lake.
Another lot of fingerlings being released this Sunday.
Why is it that as lot of yakkers are like push bike riders and expect everything but do not wish to pay and think that the rules are for everyone else?
Cheers
Ray
 
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Novice on October 27, 2012, 09:04:22 AM
But Ray, NPD is on the SIP .

I am sure if access was improved more people when buying the SIP would bother ticking the NPD box.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: StevenM on October 27, 2012, 06:06:52 PM
gotta agree with Dave

recon a whole lot more ticks in the box would be happening if you didnt need to do the secret handshake to get into and onto the dam.

The fact that it is on the SIPS funding is well to say the least bullshit.

Open it up to the pushbike riders I say
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: beau on October 27, 2012, 06:35:38 PM
No need for a secret hand shake, just pay ur money and a quick squirrel grip and your on ya way to npd.

Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: elops on October 28, 2012, 12:08:44 AM
SEQ Water (or previous incarnations) make/made the rules not the PRFMA.
Boat permit costs the same for Somerset/Wivenhoe.
Be nice to have free access for all to fish ALL dams.
Been called a lot of ists but never elitist  ;D
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Sweetwater on October 28, 2012, 02:56:51 AM
SEQ Water (or previous incarnations) make/made the rules not the PRFMA.
Boat permit costs the same for Somerset/Wivenhoe.
Be nice to have free access for all to fish ALL dams.
Been called a lot of ists but never elitist  ;D

I think part of the general public perception is that there is no public water access for a walk up visitor. Somerset / Wivenhoe you can show up on the day with your tinnie, pay the boat launching permit & go....

Comparison - Samsonvale BAS to SEQWater Boating Permit
The SEQWater permit for the 2 big lakes is: for trailerable vessels only, not for kayaks, canoes, roof toppers etc, and you can then access the whole lake. You can't drop a kayak into Bullocky Rest the same as you can at Logans Inlet or The Spit, and to do that at Adsets Rd costs a hungie. Trailerable boat permit for S/Set & Wiv is $100 first time, $75 renewal; Kayak / canoe is free..... and SEQWater boating permit is for both Somerset & Wivenhoe if you ask for it. there is quite a difference between then two types of permits.....

From my persective its not all SEQWater's restrictions, there's nothing like the same hoops to jump thru at other SEQWater lake access schemes eg at Hayes Landing, Maclean Point, Murrumba Point, SDA, Austin Rd. It has been suggested that the Adsetts Rd BAS was intentionally complicated "over and above the SEQWater requirements" by person/s within PRFMA at the time; looking at other SEQWater lease/access schemes it appears a fair comment.

The restrictive tendancy of access to Lake Samsonvale is partly what made me push to kick off Kurwongbah stocking; in the hope of getting more accessible fishing opportunities in that area without needing to jump thru extra hoops and cost for locals to go fishing.

Not knocking the Adsetts Rd lease deal (BAS) or PRFMA, it is what it is.... I can see why PRFMA members are defencive of it. To the contrary, it was me who suggested (and then supported on the FMAC) that PRFMA should apply for Samsonvale to join the SIP Scheme.  :tick
I payed for the Samsonvale BAS when I lived locally, now that I'm over near Wivenhoe I don't... it's just easier to go to alot of other places & this is where I think Samsonvale misses out, the tourist / visitor. Hence where the comments / perception about elitism may stem from.  :)

It would be good to see a SEQWater permit that allows you to launch at all it's dams / lakes for one fee, same as the SIP.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Sweetwater on October 28, 2012, 03:09:44 AM
gotta agree with Dave

recon a whole lot more ticks in the box would be happening if you didnt need to do the secret handshake to get into and onto the dam.

The fact that it is on the SIPS funding is well to say the least bullshit.

Open it up to the pushbike riders I say

With the angler preference being such a major factor in how the SIP scheme funds are allocated since they diddled with the percentages to placate the folks from Warwick some years back, if small numbers go there it gets a comensurate fuunding level back from the SIP, a self fulfilling profecy....

Can guarantee that if Samsonvale was opened up to a similar public access level to even Wivenhoe, the close proximity to major population base would see good numbers (possibly beating Somerset) fishing there & ticking the SIP box to the tune of probably $50-60k a year from the SIP going towards restocking it.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: rayke1938 on October 28, 2012, 06:32:59 AM
Since stocking by PRFMA commenced aprox 2 million fingerlings have been released in NPD and about .5% of this figure has been paid by SIP monies..
 Cheers
Ray
 
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: StevenM on October 28, 2012, 06:36:16 AM
You know that number and percentage is going to change now but Ray.

Under the SIPS scheme it should be opened up to allow the day visitor and the like.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: aussiebasser on October 28, 2012, 08:04:11 AM
It would be great if the Somerset and Wivenhoe boating permit monies were given to the stocking group like Lakes advancetown and Samsonvale.  To an outsider it really does look like double dipping.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Sweetwater on October 28, 2012, 10:46:28 AM
Since stocking by PRFMA commenced aprox 2 million fingerlings have been released in NPD and about .5% of this figure has been paid by SIP monies..
 Cheers
Ray
That's possibly to do with the fact that Samsonvale hasn't been on the SIP long but your percentage is wrong Ray. In the last 2 years from the SIP the PRFMA has recieved $11 776 in 2012/2013 last year was $13 457. That's $25 251 or roughly 100 000 bass, more if buying perch.
100 000 out of 2000 000 is one in 20 or 5% (not 0.5%). Not a bad effort for 2 years.  :tick


Some Interesting figures
Looking at the 2011/12 SIP permit funds allocation; Samsonvale recieved 2.5% angler preference ticks  :thumbsup , compared to the number of BAS permits there is quite possibly alot of people who fish Samsonvale who may not be in the BAS.
Appox 53 000 anglers purchased SIPS. > Removed the 12.5% who ticked none or all. > Then take 2.5% of the remainder it shows approx 1160 anglers who purchased SIPS ticked Samsonvale.  How many BAS pemits in 2011/12 were issued?

This indicates there may be fishing opportunities that may not be associated with the BAS. It also shows that stocked fish do not recognise the border of the BAS area and go throughout the lake.

Maybe I need to change previous comment re visitors / tourists.....??  :o
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Binder on October 28, 2012, 11:19:32 AM
PRFMA should see the writing on the wall with the BAS, and be squirreling it away for the future.
A Few years worth in the bank and they would never have to do another raffle.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Sweetwater on October 28, 2012, 02:01:39 PM
PRFMA should see the writing on the wall with the BAS, and be squirreling it away for the future.
A Few years worth in the bank and they would never have to do another raffle.

A weath fund for community groups can make long term gains for short term effort.  :thumb
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: rayke1938 on October 28, 2012, 02:46:31 PM
Clarification
 Advancetown ( Hinze) not on sips and permit monies go to stocking group.Pretty certain all go to stocking
 Somerset/Wivenhoe on sips and boating acess fees go to SEQ water.
 NPD on sips and boating access fees go to PRFMA and used solely for stocking.
 The disparity between the number of boating permits sold and the number of people ticking NPD on the sips permit could easily be the number of people who bank fish at NPD from the public areas.I have counted over 80 people fishing from Bullockies of a sunday and until NPD went on the SIP list  those fish were stoked by the PRFMA.
 Cheers
Ray
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Sweetwater on October 28, 2012, 03:18:18 PM

 The disparity between the number of boating permits sold and the number of people ticking NPD on the sips permit could easily be the number of people who bank fish at NPD from the public areas.I have counted over 80 people fishing from Bullockies of a sunday and until NPD went on the SIP list  those fish were stoked by the PRFMA.
 Cheers
Ray

My thoughts exactly Ray.  ;)
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: aussiebasser on October 28, 2012, 06:46:55 PM
Clarification
 Advancetown ( Hinze) not on sips and permit monies go to stocking group.Pretty certain all go to stocking
 Somerset/Wivenhoe on sips and boating acess fees go to SEQ water.
 NPD on sips and boating access fees go to PRFMA and used solely for stocking.
 The disparity between the number of boating permits sold and the number of people ticking NPD on the sips permit could easily be the number of people who bank fish at NPD from the public areas.I have counted over 80 people fishing from Bullockies of a sunday and until NPD went on the SIP list  those fish were stoked by the PRFMA.
 Cheers
Ray

So PRFMA are the only group which gets SIP funds as well as being able to charge people to launch a boat?
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Sweetwater on October 28, 2012, 07:49:17 PM
So PRFMA are the only group which gets SIP funds as well as being able to charge people to launch a boat?

I think it's the same as the Brisbane Valley Sailing Clun having a lease of Hayes Landing at Wivenhoe.

The differences are that Wivenhoe has alternative boat launching and a less restrictive area for boating than Samsonvale.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: rayke1938 on October 29, 2012, 05:54:33 AM
Would the PRFMA still be considered elitist if they were just a fishing club and included access to their leased area as part of their membership similar to Kilcoy fishing club and Grand Wivenhoe?
But then again if it was not due to the foresight of the founding members of the PRFMA and the Pine Rivers Shire Council there would be no fish there.
 After all if you wish to yak or canoe or sail on NPD you are welcome to join the sailing club for only $250 per annum. Similarly you can get access to Kurwongbah by joining their rowing club.
Cheers
Ray
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: StevenM on October 29, 2012, 06:41:40 AM
Thank you ray

can you also advise where the public boat launching area is and what time does it open? Can I sail and paddle anywhere or is there a no go area?
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: elops on October 29, 2012, 09:58:55 AM
Released another 13 500 Bass fingerlings into Lake Samsonvale yesterday morning.
Went for a fish off the bank at Kurwongbah (no permit required) jumped off a fair sized Toga and landed a 50 odd cm one, bycatch of half a dozen Bass 25 to 35 all on surface. Might be going out on a limb here but pretty sure there is nowhere else that you are likely to be able to do that. Met a bloke fishing with his son, first time fishing for the boy caught his first fish, couple of Tillies and a Spanglie on worms and a Bass on a lure.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Sweetwater on October 29, 2012, 10:10:28 AM
Released another 13 500 Bass fingerlings into Lake Samsonvale yesterday morning.
Went for a fish off the bank at Kurwongbah (no permit required) jumped off a fair sized Toga and landed a 50 odd cm one, bycatch of half a dozen Bass 25 to 35 all on surface. Might be going out on a limb here but pretty sure there is nowhere else that you are likely to be able to do that. Met a bloke fishing with his son, first time fishing for the boy caught his first fish, couple of Tillies and a Spanglie on worms and a Bass on a lure.

Great stuff.  :Clap) I'd say mission mostly accomplished with Kurwongbah. Good to see kids (ans us big kids too) being able to cattch a fish so close to residential area.  :thumbsup Paddlecraft being permitted would be the cream on the cake.....

50cm saratoga is breeding size!! Hopefully those first dozen that were released  ;) before the official stocking have already been breeding for a year or 3.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: rayke1938 on October 29, 2012, 02:06:42 PM
Thank you ray

can you also advise where the public boat launching area is and what time does it open? Can I sail and paddle anywhere or is there a no go area?
As stated previously there is no public boating access to either dam For boating access you casn either have a boating access permit issued by PRFMA and be allowedto fish in the permitted area or join the sailing clun and be allowed in their permitted area.
For kurwongbah join the rowing club or the water ski club ( I do not know what craft the water ski club allow their members to use)
 All seq water controlled areas are aprox 6am to 6pm .
Please be advised that all the reswtrictions and regulations are imposed by SEQ water and their forebears and not the PRFMA
All recreational uswe of SEQ waters have been under review for a couple of years now and the public were invited to make submissions.
 Whilst I am a proud member of PRFMA ( And other stocking groups and fishing clubs)
I do not speak officially for the PRFMA  and are just stating facts that are available if anyone cares to search on the internet.
Cheers
Ray
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: elops on November 24, 2012, 04:37:19 PM
Released another 22 000 Bass fingerlings into Lake Samsonvale yesterday morning.
One more lot to go 12 500 on 9.12.12
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: elops on December 14, 2012, 08:35:52 PM
Released 11 500 Bass fingerlings into Lake Samsonvale last saturday 8.12.12 the final stocking for Samsonvale for 2012/13.
One more release to go for Kurwongbah some adult Saratoga over christmas/new year.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Binder on December 15, 2012, 06:00:25 AM
My apologies Steve, work has been so busy, I have not helped PRFMA stock a single fish this year.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: bello on January 18, 2013, 08:03:19 AM
 C:-) I have been following this thread for a while, and I have noticed that no one has mentioned that the Water Board started stocking Lake Samsonvale long before the PRFMA was concieved. PRFMA has done a fairly good job over the years, but without the early work of just a few people there would be no "native" fish in the lake, and certainly no boating of any sort. The only thing that the Shire Council did (in the early days) was to push the Brisbane City Council (who paid for and controled the lake befoe the water board) for the sailing club, they have taken a lot more intrest in later years.

History can be important.   :-[
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Sweetwater on January 18, 2013, 08:46:23 AM
C:-) I have been following this thread for a while, and I have noticed that no one has mentioned that the Water Board started stocking Lake Samsonvale long before the PRFMA was concieved. PRFMA has done a fairly good job over the years, but without the early work of just a few people there would be no "native" fish in the lake, and certainly no boating of any sort. The only thing that the Shire Council did (in the early days) was to push the Brisbane City Council (who paid for and controled the lake befoe the water board) for the sailing club, they have taken a lot more intrest in later years.

History can be important.   :-[
You're correct in recognising SEQWater in their role regarding fish restocking.  :thumb

I'm not sure on the numbers of fish or moneys invested but SEQWater (in it's various forms) was once a major restocker in SE Qld lakes, stocking not only Samsonvale, but Wivenhoe and Somerset along side of that DPI&F and the community restocking groups were doing.
I do remember there was around $30k annual budget for the three lakes combined at one stage, Somerset (due to it's far better access & therefore popularity as destination) probably recieved the lions share.
Since the SIP, this budget slowly disappeared, however SEQWater still parter with stocking groups in various in-kind ways. Example, S&WFSA have a gazillion fish coming to Somerset tomorrow, SEQWater will have a boat on the water and staff to assist in the release of bass, golden perch & silvers from 2 hatcheries....  :tick
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: elops on January 19, 2013, 09:23:22 PM
Sorry forgot to add 34 Toga released into Kurwongbah on 30.12.12 the final release for 2012/13
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Binder on January 20, 2013, 12:01:46 AM
Hows the water depth at Kurwongbah? See plenty of lilies still in the water in Dino's fishing photo's.
Ewen Maddock is down so far there is little of the reeds (Sedge?) along the edges still in the water, Baroon is down so low all of its weed is rotting in the sun.
To be honest, probably not a bad year to only stock a few fish in Ewen Maddock. Not exactly great conditions for fingerlings at the moment.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: elops on January 20, 2013, 04:15:55 PM
Water depth is still ok fair way to go maybe 2 to 3 meters before it drops past the bulk of the macrophytes.
First time level has really dropped through the cabomba so hard to say if it will follow it down. Most likely it would get thicker with any sort of a rise in level.
Title: Re: PRFMA Fish Restocking 2012/13
Post by: Binder on January 20, 2013, 08:45:30 PM
Still plenty of tucker and shelter then.