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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: aussiebasser on July 15, 2013, 09:37:51 AM
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I was very surprised to see only 50 people attend the meeting in Kilcoy on Saturday morning. No Kayaking group representatives were there. No local (Esk, Fernvale Ipswich) businesses that I could see. There were plenty of Landholders, quite a few Bureaucrats, a smattering of Fishos, some Waterski and Jetski club representatives and some guy who wants an RV park near the Kilcoy showgrounds. I found it a very positive experience, although I do have a bit of an issue with so much concern being given to the farmers who lease the waterfront land. They keep mentioning Eco Tourism but shy away from answering how their activities could be described as environmentally friendly.
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There were 5 members from the relevant fish stocking group present, 2 from KILCOY FC and 3 from BVA FC.
No marine Qld, no Canoeing Qld, no Sunfish (not that they should be sticking their nose into Sweetwater issues).... I wonder if they either don't care or they have a different level of input?
Didnt see any wind jockeys and only one high speed trolling boat owner (water skier)
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There was a wind jockey on my table. He wanted the trees cleared so he could sail up the top end and couldn't understand that the trees were the only thing keeping the skiers away from that area. Some of the arguments were ridiculous. The guy who said you shouldn't ski on Wivenhoe because it was too shallow? Really people, if you want to go against something, at least have some facts to back up your argument otherwise, you're just another person with an opinion.
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I forgot to mention that there were a couple of members from Grand Wivenhoe FC there. Was also pointed out to me that there was representation from the BV Sailing club among others.
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I thought there were a few valid points made with the use of Lake Wivenhoe, mainly with the fact that the other two lakes are already primarily used by petrol recreational watercraft.
The guy who wanted speed cameras on helicopters to police speed limits was a bit out there also, but definitely the RV Park was the pick of them.
By the way Dale you're a bogan!
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but definitely the RV Park was the pick of them.
I got up & left the room when I realised he was off on some un-related tangent. I think he was at the wrong meeting...
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I did not attend any of the public consultation meetings for a number of reasons.
I would have attended a meeting held in Brisbane and wonder how many others also would have attended.
All the locations were to far away and involve considerable expense for me to travel to them.
I did put my points of view on both the written response to the survey and also via telephone.
Not being a regular visitor to the sites I do not feel qualified to comment on quite a few of the questions in the survey.
I note that only around 250 surveys have been completed. Looks like Aussie apathy is alive and well. Wonder how many people will kick and scream if things do not go the way they want.
I will make an effort to attend meetings held for the dams that i fish regularly.
I note that Sampsonvale and Kurwongbah opens tomorrow.
Cheers
Ray
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I did not attend any of the public consultation meetings for a number of reasons.
I would have attended a meeting held in Brisbane and wonder how many others also would have attended.
All the locations were to far away and involve considerable expense for me to travel to them.
I did put my points of view on both the written response to the survey and also via telephone.
Not being a regular visitor to the sites I do not feel qualified to comment on quite a few of the questions in the survey.
I note that only around 250 surveys have been completed. Looks like Aussie apathy is alive and well. Wonder how many people will kick and scream if things do not go the way they want.
I will make an effort to attend meetings held for the dams that i fish regularly.
I note that Sampsonvale and Kurwongbah opens tomorrow.
Cheers
Ray
I think those two dams will get more responses than the first three. I'm sure the skiers would like access to Sampsonvale. It would take some pressure off Somerset.
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The skiers will have fun with all the trees in sampsonvale,
Cheers
Ray
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Hell yeah, good idea Basser. Can I go to the Samsonvale meetings and crow to all & sundry to get waterskiing on Lake Samsonvale? If it takes a few noise boats off Somerset it's a bonus for me....
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Maybe they will relocate the waterskiers from Kurwongbah to Samsonvale :thumbsup
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The skiers will have fun with all the trees in sampsonvale,
Cheers
Ray
You ever see Lake Mulwala? Skiers and race bots love it. Boxing Day and New Years Day are awesome race days. It's an excellent example of a shared resource.
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+1 for LakeLice, it will give more substance to allowing kayaks. ;D
Or it could go horribly wrong, like Lake K :'(
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You ever see Lake Mulwala? Skiers and race bots love it. Boxing Day and New Years Day are awesome race days. It's an excellent example of a shared resource.
It is all the pine trees that grew to 30ft high in the drought. The borers and rot has got into them and they have all snapped off at water level. Hit one in your leccy and it justs lifts the boat and you can rock it off not so good hitting at speed.
Only safe area would be the old river bed or down near the dam wall.
Be interesting to see a jet ski hit a stump.
Cheers
Ray
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but definitely the RV Park was the pick of them.
I don't see a problem with free or low cost camp for the grey nomads nearby, maybe they should look at something on the dam, in NSW dams you often have no facilities option which of 75% cost of the full on rec area. Whist I'm not in the grey nomad category just yet, when driving from Sydney to the barra trail I've always bypassed Wivenhoe and Somerset due to the extra cost of a boating permit and accommodation.
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I don't see a problem with free or low cost camp for the grey nomads nearby, maybe they should look at something on the dam, in NSW dams you often have no facilities option which of 75% cost of the full on rec area. Whist I'm not in the grey nomad category just yet, when driving from Sydney to the barra trail I've always bypassed Wivenhoe and Somerset due to the extra cost of a boating permit and accommodation.
Agree with you totally, the lakes should have low cost areas not only for the grey nomads but everyone in general; but as long as they are in the confines of the lakes, not outside of them. The idea of these workshops was to get an understanding of who is using what and how can things be improved for the recreational use of the lakes. Wivenhoe and Somerset are probably two of the best fishing lakes in Queensland, the camping areas are fantastic and they can cater to a number of pastimes like photography, bird watching and bushwalking. We can't do much about the boating permit (it is currently being questioned by a number of users) but as for accommodation there are already a few areas at both sites that give you options (camp grounds or cabins); next time you are up this way take the time to have look around it's worth it ($18/night to camp at Wivenhoe, $15 for a daily/weekly boat permit at Somerset).
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I don't see a problem with free or low cost camp for the grey nomads nearby, maybe they should look at something on the dam, in NSW dams you often have no facilities option which of 75% cost of the full on rec area. Whist I'm not in the grey nomad category just yet, when driving from Sydney to the barra trail I've always bypassed Wivenhoe and Somerset due to the extra cost of a boating permit and accommodation.
I have a problem with encouraging grey nomads anywhere. The buggers are the cancer of the highways and spend bugger all in most place..some fuel and on their way. Spend nights in the free rest areas along the highways..just had dealing with them today. I hate them. Ban them I say unless they can drive constantly at 100k/hr.
Ray..I am afraid apathy is not the word. Given up is a better description..I was involved in rallies and had meetings with pollies and bloke from the EPA at the time regarding the green zones in Moreton bay. Despite being told that they would be put there with proper consultation etc. After that I am afraid I will not waste my time dealing with any pollies. It does not matter what Joe Public wants..they just do what they want..end of story. Especially Newman's mob !!!!
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Whilst camping facilities may be questionable on some of the nearer waters to Brisbane it certainly works on a lot of dams in country areas.
You would probably find that it would work on some of the closer dams providing that it was regulated to a maximum stay of a few days such as Lenthalls.
Not only does it make it easier for anglers to fish more distant dams it brings valuable tourist dollars into the local community.
The so called grey nomads are the lifeblood to a lot of country towns and help stay the exodus of young people into the cities.Whilst they may not stay in the local caravan parks they still purchase their fuel and supplies in the towns.
Cheers
Ray
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Don't forget all the cheese and crackers they purchase ! Even old daisy starts mooing when she sees em roll in
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I have a problem with encouraging grey nomads anywhere. The buggers are the cancer of the highways and spend bugger all in most place..some fuel and on their way. Spend nights in the free rest areas along the highways..just had dealing with them today. I hate them. Ban them I say unless they can drive constantly at 100k/hr.
Ray..I am afraid apathy is not the word. Given up is a better description..I was involved in rallies and had meetings with pollies and bloke from the EPA at the time regarding the green zones in Moreton bay. Despite being told that they would be put there with proper consultation etc. After that I am afraid I will not waste my time dealing with any pollies. It does not matter what Joe Public wants..they just do what they want..end of story. Especially Newman's mob !!!!
It hard for me to be down on the oldies , they built the country after all but I don't get the free rest area camping at all, sounds like a good argument for opening the showgrounds. In a perfect world everyone would drive at the speed limit but is it motorist fault the government is too tight arsed to provide dual lanes or at least overtaking lanes.
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No, they can drive at the limit when they get to an overtaking lane!
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I have a problem with encouraging grey nomads anywhere. The buggers are the cancer of the highways and spend bugger all in most place..some fuel and on their way. Spend nights in the free rest areas along the highways..just had dealing with them today. I hate them. Ban them I say unless they can drive constantly at 100k/hr.
Ray..I am afraid apathy is not the word. Given up is a better description..I was involved in rallies and had meetings with pollies and bloke from the EPA at the time regarding the green zones in Moreton bay. Despite being told that they would be put there with proper consultation etc. After that I am afraid I will not waste my time dealing with any pollies. It does not matter what Joe Public wants..they just do what they want..end of story. Especially Newman's mob !!!!
Ahh Grasshopper, be careful of your use of the word "hate". It is a bad emotion and will one day return to bite you on the arse. Provided you live to be a grey nomad.
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I'm looking forward to being a grey nomad & bloody well reserve the right to do 20k under the speed limit in the right hand lane in double lanes & then do 110 as soon as there's an over taking lane on single carriage road. It's a right of passage folks, we all (hopefully) get there one day...I'm practicing real hard at getting my cranky old man act down already.
Heard a young fella once say "geez they aint got long to live, you'd think they'd be in a bit of hurry". These days I know a bit better. ::)
P for patience I tell my kids.
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...I'm practicing real hard at getting my cranky old man act down already.
Is that the same as "short arse syndrome"?
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Is that the same as "short arse syndrome"?
Almost, but the real trick is to get both going at the same time..... :popcorn)
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Almost, but the real trick is to get both going at the same time..... :popcorn)
Reckon there was a bloke at Awoonga campground saw that one day. Still laugh at the look on his face when you unloaded on him.
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Ahh Grasshopper, be careful of your use of the word "hate". It is a bad emotion and will one day return to bite you on the arse. Provided you live to be a grey nomad.
already at the grey nomad, grumpy old man age and I have the t shirt to prove it. I think I should wear it at the convention this year. it goes along with the other I have which states " Who needs Google when my wife knows everything".
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I'm looking forward to being a grey nomad & bloody well reserve the right to do 20k under the speed limit in the right hand lane in double lanes & then do 110 as soon as there's an over taking lane on single carriage road. It's a right of passage folks, we all (hopefully) get there one day...I'm practicing real hard at getting my cranky old man act down already.
Heard a young fella once say "geez they aint got long to live, you'd think they'd be in a bit of hurry". These days I know a bit better. ::)
P for patience I tell my kids.
Classic...you will do well when you reach grumpy old man age. Just look at Dale as the example of where you want to be.
We did a trip back from Port hedland..via Broome, Kunnunurra, Katherine and back into Qld. Hired a small campervan..it cruised easily at 110k to 130k dependent on the speed limits. Talking to some of the locals, the nomads are not all that well recieved in some areas. The locals whinge about the ones that stay in the roadside rest areas..they (via their local councils) have to pay to maintain these areas and at times they are left a complete mess. Most do not spend much in the towns. We stayed in a van park in katherine..nice spot..the place was packed. They have a great bistro there..good food and well priced..yet they only get about 20 people eating there..the owner was telling us she was considering closing it as due to very few customers, no money to cover costs hence staff would have to be laid off. The funny thing is..most do not stop and have a good look..we ventured down the dirt track to gregory's tree..interesting history..and the Zebra rock mine..mentioned this to some that had coem the same way as us..Oh, we did not see those..we drove straight here..sheesh..what is the point of doing the trip if not stopping to have a look.
But, if ya drive that slow it takes forever to get nowhere..LOL
Anyway..where were we? Something to do with dams..bloody old age makes me forgetful at times.
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Reckon there was a bloke at Awoonga campground saw that one day. Still laugh at the look on his face when you unloaded on him.
That was nothing to do with being grey, the bloke was a pure & simple tosser, he got treated accordingly. However soon after he did become a nomad as he got moved on........ again treated accordingly :walkplank
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I hope "pinhead" doesn't make it to old age, he really would be a pain in the A**,
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I hope "pinhead" doesn't make it to old age, he really would be a pain in the A**,
well thank you..am already old and a pain in the A..but only if you are a nomad on the highway.
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Wow, this meeting was a whole lot different to the first one. Some of the opposition groups showed up in force this time and were extremely vocal.
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What were they opposed to Dale?
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I hear it was quite heated...... :popcorn) should have gone to the workshop instead of camping....
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Where is the report Sweetwater ?
Hijack :OffTopic)
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You blokes are entertaining, love a good read.
'Basser' is the best, the man has a great way with words, but you may have noticed that.
Glad I don't live next to him.
Grey Gordon
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What were they opposed to Dale?
Pretty much anything to do with enjoying Lake Wivenhoe.
All boats and Kayaks carry guns according to one excitable lady.
The current users scare the cattle.
There are many cattle stolen around Wivenhoe. (Hard to steal a bullock in a tinnie!)
Boats cause erosion, but the wind waves don't.
Wind waves are too big and make power boating dangerous. (I guess its ok for Kayaks though.)
The noise of boats will upset the serenity of "our" lake.
I could go on, but you get the drift.
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There are many cattle stolen around Wivenhoe. (Hard to steal a bullock in a tinnie!)
Not when you do it one chop at a time.
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Wow, this meeting was a whole lot different to the first one. Some of the opposition groups showed up in force this time and were extremely vocal.
Dale you would've been in your element!!
Must have been a national day of action for lease holders, we encountered the same on the border. >:(
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Not when you do it one chop at a time.
Well at least we know its not you. Chops come from sheep and pigs not cattle! Now if we could get you to stop carrying a gun in your yak all would be good.
One very vocal opponent to any changes at Wivenhoe was the guy why runs Somerset Park. I wonder if he would have changed his opinion if he'd been the successful bidder for the camp grounds at Wivenhoe.
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Dale is that Somerset Park below the dam wall or Somerset Holiday Park at kirklea?
I could foresee a drop in income for both if Wivy is open for stink boats and skiing.
I think that leaseholders will be against any further opening up of access to any of the dams.
I wonder if the leaseholders are paying commercial or peppercorn rates for their leases?
Would be loud squealing if they suddenly are charged commercial rates.
I was talking to one of the leaseholders at North Pine a couple of years ago and he was winging about BAS permit holders stealing a post hole borer ( Tractor Mounted Type) from a shed on his property.
Bit hard getting one of them down the hill and into a small tinney.
The main thing is that everyone gets to give an opinion and hopefully common sense will prevail.
Cheers
Ray