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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: aussiebasser on July 18, 2011, 06:39:43 PM
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I realise that TV programs need sponsorship to exist but I'm starting to think it's getting out of control. If anyone watched iFish today, Paul was fishing in Exmouth WA, with a little tacker who really knew how to fish. Why, I wonder, did they see the need to put a pair of very ill fitting Evinrude covers on a pair of obviously Honda outboards. Evinrude don't make a cover big enough to fit a 225 Honda.
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Im with you aussiebasser. Some of these tv shows annoy the hell out of me. Et's show annoys the hell out of me mentioning every 5 min about toyotas. Then creek to coast on sat arvo's they hammer the hell out of arb. Sure they are sponsors and need to advertise their products but not so much would be great. Its more a half hour of advertising these days.
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Saw the program Dale, first thing I noticed. I can't watch ET's shows for that reason now too. It's a shame but I'd rather watch some fishing shows on TV rather than none at all. We have a T Box and record shows we want to and fast forward the adverts.
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I don't have a problem with the shows having sponsorship, without it they wouldn't exist. I do object to the masking of one product to make it look like another. How stupid do they think fishos are?
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I don't have a problem with the shows having sponsorship, without it they wouldn't exist. I do object to the masking of one product to make it look like another. How stupid do they think fishos are?
I refuse to answer that on the grounds it might make me look stupid! ;D
Ooh, look, man using nice shiny lures on the box, catch fish, must have, where's my wallet........
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It worked.Evinrude is being talked about. :)
Toddy
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It worked.Evinrude is being talked about. :)
Toddy
Too true Toddy
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Not hard to agree on that , most of these shows are hampered by the Tim Shaw type of advertising , or the host is a total jerk ,I switch them off before some clown comes out of the scrub offering a set of steak knives .
On a positive , i don't mind sitting back and watching the lads from Hook line sinker , or say Robson Green , other than that , just go fishing .
Regards
Pete
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Robson green urks the hell out of me so does that "extreme fish angler biologist" w@nk
Ifish is a show i cant stand the only one i could because of cappo was Fishing WA and even then it had its moments when another show was on backup.
Steve
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I like Robson Green.His clumsiness and his girliness cracks me up and regardless of that I think he genuinely just loves to fish.
The two blokes from Tassie crack me up as well.
Toddy
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I agree with Dale on this one, not just because I have a Honda either. Those covers looked like badly fitting berets. Having said that I kind of like Paul Worsteling style; he knows he's making a goose of himself but does he care? No. The two blokes from Tassie are a bloody hoot, and I will not watch another ET as long as by bum points to the ground.
JD
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Robson Green recently visited New Britain and fished with a good mate of mine, both deep water offshore and for Black Bass in the Kulu River. What you see on TV is what you get in real life. He's a guy that absolutely loves his fishing and gets very, very excited when he catches a fish. His casting ability is legendary in it's ineptness. He spent a lot of time picking lures out of the Jungle. He seemed very concerned when a local guide, Chris, donned goggles and dived for a fish stuck on a snag in "Crocodile Infested" waters.
I enjoy his show and although he can be painful at least he's genuine.
Paul from iFish is another who seems pretty genuine. Without Tackle World, Evinrude and his other major sponsors we wouldn't have his show to watch, and that would make Aussie fishing shows pretty scarce on free to air TV. The original ex-footy player was a legend and like him or hate him, he did a lot for rec fishing, yibbidy yibbada thank your mother for the rabbits, the current ex-footy player is showing how it's done when it comes to selling your yamaha or is it now evinrude name shimano at Big W every Humminbird used to be Lowrance opportunity. You do get to see a bit of fishing though.
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Robson Green recently visited New Britain and fished with a good mate of mine, both deep water offshore and for Black Bass in the Kulu River. What you see on TV is what you get in real life. He's a guy that absolutely loves his fishing and gets very, very excited when he catches a fish. His casting ability is legendary in it's ineptness. He spent a lot of time picking lures out of the Jungle. He seemed very concerned when a local guide, Chris, donned goggles and dived for a fish stuck on a snag in "Crocodile Infested" waters.
I enjoy his show and although he can be painful at least he's genuine.
Paul from iFish is another who seems pretty genuine. Without Tackle World, Evinrude and his other major sponsors we wouldn't have his show to watch, and that would make Aussie fishing shows pretty scarce on free to air TV. The original ex-footy player was a legend and like him or hate him, he did a lot for rec fishing, yibbidy yibbada thank your mother for the rabbits, the current ex-footy player is showing how it's done when it comes to selling your yamaha or is it now evinrude name shimano at Big W every Humminbird used to be Lowrance opportunity. You do get to see a bit of fishing though.
I look foward to the episode of him catching a bass over there.Now that will be funny.The tarpon episode I saw the other day in Cuba was piss funny as well.
Toddy
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The episode that you speak of with Black Bass was on last weekend , was a good laugh , good solid hook up and into the snags it went , break out lure retriever , man with goggles over the side he went , came up with not only the lure but fish still attached , need a good lure/fish retriever just like it 8)
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The episode that you speak of with Black Bass was on last weekend , was a good laugh , good solid hook up and into the snags it went , break out lure retriever , man with goggles over the side he went , came up with not only the lure but fish still attached , need a good lure/fish retriever just like it 8)
Oh...BUGGER!
Toddy
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The episode that you speak of with Black Bass was on last weekend , was a good laugh , good solid hook up and into the snags it went , break out lure retriever , man with goggles over the side he went , came up with not only the lure but fish still attached , need a good lure/fish retriever just like it 8)
The guy who went over the side was Chris. The nicest bloke you'd ever want to meet. I think he was wearing his tea cosy on his head too. It's a skull cap normally worn under a Muslim's head gear. It was given to him and he's worn it almost every day since. Chris has some amazing abilities, and if I told what I'd seen here, nobody would believe me. His wives are lovely people too.
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Toody, Google Robson Green, End of the Earth it's available for download if you dig deep enough.
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I have to agree with you Dale.
In saying that the real problem is the pittance that Australian tv stations pay for programs. If our media outlets weren't so stingy directors/producers and dop's for that fact, wouldn't have to implement dodgy marketing ploys (such as covering a product with another companies product) to make money.
As some of you would know Australia has a very weak film and television industry at the moment, so I can understand the decision that was made. However it does get annoying when sitting down to watch the fishing and in the end feeling like you've just read the last 14 months of BCF's catalogues.
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Yeh Robson Green is a big girl but you can't help but laugh at him. What some of the locals think about him we can only guess. Dale re tea cosies; Billy Connolly said "Never trust a man who when left alone in a room with a tea cosy, doesn't stick it on his head" Chris must be some bloke. NOt enough fishing on ET's program to use the electricty I'm afraid.
JD
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Best thing about iFish is Christie :youbeauty
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Toody, Google Robson Green, End of the Earth it's available for download if you dig deep enough.
Yeah will do.
Toddy
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Did anybody see Ifish last night? I got excited when he mentioned barra fishing.. then he spent the whole time floggin off this little hand held rod reel cr@p thing :-\
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Yeh, I saw that, but you had to laugh at him. He's got one of the Territory's best guides there and he's got access to some the best gear anywhere and he plays around with that toy. Perhaps it underlines the fact that the fish don't care where you bought your gear, if they like/hate what they see they'll whack it.
JD
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Yeah that's it hey.. but still made me laugh at him being a tool. You could see the guide was pissed lol
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I think the guide was just totally no plussed. I mean how do you top that?
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Rex Hunt has a lot to answer for ..... his later shows saw a rise in the intensity of the advertising - Today we are bombarded with brand placement & infomercials ...... in lots of ways credability has gone out the window because you just about know that what you see being used is not by choice but by sponsorship . Masking of non sponsor products is just taking it to extremes. It's got to a point where I just dont enjoy watching the mainstream fishing shows anymore.
Yes - sponsorship is required ..... but do we really want to see fishing programs become the male version of Kerry Anns show ::)
Chris
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Fishing DVD, Starlo and Squidgies. He has to flog his product atleast 20 times each segment. Peeves me off no end.
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Fishing DVD, Starlo and Squidgies. He has to flog his product atleast 20 times each segment. Peeves me off no end.
But the difference is that - Squidgy is Starlos product ...... IMO It would be no different to Harry Watson spruiking "Jackall"
He uses what he designs.
Chris
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Wow, how long has Harry been designing Jackalls?
I was talking to Paul recently about the Exmouth episode. It wasn't his idea, and the action was dictated by the sponsor. It did achieve the aim of having the sponsor's product talked about though. He is with Suzuki this year. I did find that he's a pretty down to earth bloke with a refreshing sense of humour and I look forward to fishing with him in the future. He's a guy I'd gladly share a boat with.
Without sponsorship we wouldn't have fishing shows on TV so I guess informed viewers can just ignore the ads and enjoy the action.
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Without sponsorship we wouldn't have fishing shows on TV so I guess informed viewers can just ignore the ads and enjoy the action.
Thats exactly right.This morning I watched the ET episode in PNG with your mate Basser.Its was great I must say.Good fish caught and had me dreaming of an exotic,untouched,wild location and I loved every bit of it.It did for me what the articles in mags 30 years ago about the Territory and Kimberly did for me back then.They made me dream.
ET probably has more cr@p to shove down everybody's throat than any other fishing program that we see in Australia but I still enjoyed it.
In the end its more about the personalities on the screen and the truth is even if I dont like them I will watch it anyway.With the exception of Fishing WA.(If I see another spanish mac caught the plasma is going to have a remote thrown at it!!)
With regards to Rex....Nothing bad can be said about him.He brought fishing to mainstream TV in the 80s.He preached catch and release well before it was fashionable and he made the kids that fished like me dream about exotic locations.
I can put up with hearing about the Rex Hunt combos for that.
Toddy
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Wow, how long has Harry been designing Jackalls?
I was talking to Paul recently about the Exmouth episode. It wasn't his idea, and the action was dictated by the sponsor. It did achieve the aim of having the sponsor's product talked about though. He is with Suzuki this year. I did find that he's a pretty down to earth bloke with a refreshing sense of humour and I look forward to fishing with him in the future. He's a guy I'd gladly share a boat with.
Without sponsorship we wouldn't have fishing shows on TV so I guess informed viewers can just ignore the ads and enjoy the action.
He has the Hank tuned range of Squirrels & Squad minnows ( designed for barra) ....... but that wasn't the point
Harry is not only the face of Jackall in Australia but the sole distributor -
Chris
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Thats exactly right.This morning I watched the ET episode in PNG with your mate Basser.Its was great I must say.Good fish caught and had me dreaming of an exotic,untouched,wild location and I loved every bit of it.It did for me what the articles in mags 30 years ago about the Territory and Kimberly did for me back then.They made me dream.
ET probably has more cr@p to shove down everybody's throat than any other fishing program that we see in Australia but I still enjoyed it.
In the end its more about the personalities on the screen and the truth is even if I dont like them I will watch it anyway.With the exception of Fishing WA.(If I see another spanish mac caught the plasma is going to have a remote thrown at it!!)
With regards to Rex....Nothing bad can be said about him.He brought fishing to mainstream TV in the 80s.He preached catch and release well before it was fashionable and he made the kids that fished like me dream about exotic locations.
I can put up with hearing about the Rex Hunt combos for that.
Toddy
rex was easy to ignore - the brand placement was fairly limited ........ even the first couple of series of I Fish were limited to the tacklerat segment - but now the likes of I fish & ET would devote 30-40% of the show to adds & infomercials ......... its just over the top.
Chris
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Harry is not only the face of Jackall in Australia but the sole distributor -
Chris
Are you sure about that?
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rex was easy to ignore - the brand placement was fairly limited ........ even the first couple of series of I Fish were limited to the tacklerat segment - but now the likes of I fish & ET would devote 30-40% of the show to adds & infomercials ......... its just over the top.
Chris
I'm having the last word. ;D
Toddy
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ET got a pretty good Spot Tail on his trip, but that was nearly 4 years ago. I think iFish will be there within the next 12 months, and Robson Green has been. I understand what you're saying Toddy. Its all about the dreams. I watched Harro's videos when I was younger, and read everything he wrote. I used to think he was immortal. He lived the life I wanted to live. Filming for TV is pretty tedious, and expensive. We took a day to film a 7 or 8 minute segment for Creek to Coast once, without landing a fish.
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Rob Whathisnamus was in town about a month ago, wondered what he was up to. Last night the episode was shown. He sat on the mouth of Bindoola Creek and The Pentecost River for a couple of days trying to catch a saw shark. For those who are not aware, it's illegal to target them being an endangered species. He does mention that up front and points out the segment was about release techniques if anglers come across one. As his guide is a TO and therefore able to catch them as a food source he slips by on a technicality.
He ends up with a croc he caught using a tuna head as bait (how a saw shark was going to swallow that has got me stuffed ::)) a threadfin, cattie and finally a saw shark reeled in by the guide and then chucked back in because it was not the right time of year for them.
Go figure that ??? ??? ???
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Are you sure about that?
"Harry is the Australian Distributor for “Jackall Brothers”, and his ZX190 Skeeter, wrapped in Lowrance and Jackalls, certainly stands out in the crowd."
According to the Skeeter website he is Fitzy,
Paulo
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Last Jackall I bought locally was ages ago, a "Hank tuned" Squirrel, changed the hooks though, sank like a stone.
Swapped some aquarium fish for some Chubby's at my local tackle shop 6 months ago.
Find the internet to be be the most cost effective distributor of Jackalls myself.
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Harry showed me some of his Barra lures at the Tackle Show last year. He was keen on trying some in PNG. They didn't seem to have the hooks to handle a Barra, let alone a Black Bass.
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Harry showed me some of his Barra lures at the Tackle Show last year. He was keen on trying some in PNG. They didn't seem to have the hooks to handle a Barra, let alone a Black Bass.
As far as I know - Harry is it in OZ
As for the Hank tuned range
They look like Owner ST56s to me ....... so capable unless you get a top and bottom jaw hook up :)
Hang on Dale ..... Are you not the guy that fishes with fine gauge hooks fitted to highly tuned Japanese lures for Awoonga barra :Oops) -
Chris
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Not Jackalls Chris, I've never used them for Barra. The Doozers I use in PNG now have VMC's on them. I've not seen a Jackall yet that could handle a Barra out of the box, but maybe they've changed since this time last year. Most hooks on the TN's are less than suitable for Bass.
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Yep "Hank Tuned" Squirrel 79 SP came with Owner ST 56 trebles, size 2 on front and 4 on rear, like I said sank like a stone, killed the action IMO
Used to use TN 60 and 70 and Doozers for Jacks, Jew, Snapper and other rustwater beasties with 40/ 50 lb rings and the biggest ST 66TN they would carry, never had one come apart surprisingly strong lures. Gets expensive though :(
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The only origional idea harry ever had was that hair cut and snoger nose in one nonchalont package.
He has just taken sponsors for a ride for ages and is not the soul distributor of jackals in aus, I reckon you would have to be nuts to spend what they are asking for them anyway but thats another arguement.
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Just watched an IFish where Paul was after Snapper in Arno Bay. Apparently someone had called him a tool, so he went to the nearest hardware store and bought an 8mm ring spanner, got some big split rings and a couple spanner hooks and proceded to catch 3 BIG Snapper. THAT'S how you answer your critics.
JD
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Not Jackalls Chris, I've never used them for Barra. The Doozers I use in PNG now have VMC's on them. I've not seen a Jackall yet that could handle a Barra out of the box, but maybe they've changed since this time last year. Most hooks on the TN's are less than suitable for Bass.
no ... not Jackalls but some other Japanese lure with fine wire hooks .
The Hank tuned ones work .. as do do the trans-ams ( though I still prefer to change them to the Decoy WY(YW)s - the wide gape ones
but back on topic ........... sponsorship overkill - too much IMO ...... watch it ,read it ( its everywhere)
Chris
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Just watched an IFish where Paul was after Snapper in Arno Bay. Apparently someone had called him a tool, so he went to the nearest hardware store and bought an 8mm ring spanner, got some big split rings and a couple spanner hooks and proceded to catch 3 BIG Snapper. THAT'S how you answer your critics.
JD
He is a tool. And damn proud of it. I copped a stubbie cooler in the back of the head at the tackle show today and turned around and he had a grin from ear to ear. Was good to catch up with Rex down there too. He looks a bit different with the same haircut as me. There is some good looking gear on it's way to us. New Daiwas, new Sebilles, new River2Seas. Big Loomis line-up. Pricing seems pretty keen for the coming year too.
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Yeh Dale Paul seems like a bloke who's well in life and enjoys it to the hilt. Be good company in anyone boat.
John
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lol he seems like any normal bloke living a great life he enjoys alot! I qyuite enjoy his show.
Saw Ifish last night, quite a laugh actually when they were hookin into the barra at the daley!
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Yeh he had his old Dad there with him, but the old fella was struggling a bit with his baitcaster I thought. Looked like he had a birds nest in the background there at one stage, but hell he had a great day. I wonder if one of my kids would take me fishing on the Daly??? Nah.
JD
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Could this be the first millionaire from lure/plastic sales in Australia?
Or have squidgies worth 3 cents in china sold for $13.00 here already done that job?
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Dunno but I reckon Shimano would be the big earners. It's called free enterprise.
JD
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Harry showed me some of his Barra lures at the Tackle Show last year. He was keen on trying some in PNG. They didn't seem to have the hooks to handle a Barra, let alone a Black Bass.
You dont have to worry about the hooks Dale, DD Squirrel 79 sp failure last night on Jew in the river, wire from bib is not attached to anything, 20lb Fins 30 lb fluro, 7kg drag :(
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Well, at least you got the bib back OK.
JD