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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: BillyBass on December 30, 2012, 05:06:41 PM
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Has anyone heard about the bass that were realeased there a year ago?/know how they are going?? I saw some guys there with rods yesterday
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Your not supposed to fish the lake. :Oops)
I have a few times and your most likely to hook up on Tilapia, gar fish and barred grunters and some eel tailed cats.
The Tillies are lots of fun but yea kill on sight... and bin em :D
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ahaha, i heard of someone who thought trolling from a small rc boat would be fun in there . the boat sunk on hook up
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any update on this?
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We think that fishing is not permitted in Springfield Lake, although nobody seems to have followed it through.
http://www.sweetwaterfishing.com.au/Forum/index.php/topic,5667.15.html (http://www.sweetwaterfishing.com.au/Forum/index.php/topic,5667.15.html)
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We think that fishing is not permitted in Springfield Lake, although nobody seems to have followed it through.
[url]http://www.sweetwaterfishing.com.au/Forum/index.php/topic,5667.15.html[/url] ([url]http://www.sweetwaterfishing.com.au/Forum/index.php/topic,5667.15.html[/url])
Thanks "aussiebasser" much appreciated.
Pete
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Even though this it is considered illegal I have seen a group of three people fishing here again this morning for the second time this week. Whatever is in there must be back on the bite. Anyone else been there lately?
Petey.
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I think if you're going to do it, or if you are doing it, a good idea would be to keep it quiet. I'm sure the blokes you saw don't really want someone running around narking them in. Coming onto a public website and asking someone to admit to doing what may be illegal, albeit harmless, behaviour is a bit much isn't it?
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I think if you're going to do it, or if you are doing it, a good idea would be to keep it quiet. I'm sure the blokes you saw don't really want someone running around narking them in. Coming onto a public website and asking someone to admit to doing what may be illegal, albeit harmless, behaviour is a bit much isn't it?
I think you have the complete wrong end of the stick here Aussiebasser. Firstly if i was against fishing why would I be contributing to a fishing forum? That clearly just does not make sense. Secondly I did say "considered illegal" not "This is illegal stop the activity" as if it isn't illegal I would consider fishing there as well. Lastly to reiterate the fact that the behaviour is not "a bit much isn't it" I did ask if any one else had been there lately after stating that something must be on the bite as to find out if it was worth having a fish there. Aussibasser we should try and be constructive and informative on internet forums rather than point fingers and create arguments don't you agree?
Pete
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You misunderstand me Pete. If I was fishing at Springfield Lakes I wouldn't tell you publicly that I was. I also would not be happy that you are publicly saying you see these people fishing. If you want to fish there, go fish there. If you have to be told if the fish are biting before you go that's another story. I'm as constructive and informative as any person here Pete, I'm also not about "outing" anyone, which you have done, who may be enjoying the sport where they shouldn't be, where it doesn't have any severe consequences. If they are fishing closed water that protects breeding fish, or fishing in the closed season which protects breeding fish, then yes, they need to be stopped. If a couple of blokes are catching a couple of fish in private waters without harming anything, leave them to it, or walk up to them and ask them. Don't expect them to state anything on a public web site, which may incriminate themselves.
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I have just sent email to Division 9 Councillor . I also asked for reasons if fishing is not allowed and if consideration would be given to altering this in the future.
There is a small lake in the Logan Council area that has a no fishing sign on one entrance but nothing on the other. This has been like this for 7 years that I am aware of.
If you ring the council general enquiries you are told that fishing is permitted.
If you speak to the council ranger you are told its not allowed .
If you send an email you are told that that lake is not on their banned list.
If there is any chance of a problem with any issue I always seek an answer in writing because some people in call centers will say anything to get rid of you if they do not know the correct answer.
If an activity is not permitted there is usually a valid reason even though it may not be obvious, but there is nothing wrong with questioning the reasons and sometimes you do win one.
Cheers
Ray
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Until we hear back from Ray and the legality of fishing the area, we'll lock this up.
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This is how I read it....
If the water is public or crown water and is not listed as closed water, then go for it.
Privately owned is another story. I think you can only get done for trespassing, in that they would need to ask you to leave first, then persue the matter with authorities.
Need to define privately owned, as in is this council owned (which would then make it crown water & then fall under State fisheries regs), or by a corporation, eg Delfin.
If its council owned, they don't have scope to make or enforce laws that contrive state fisheries regulations.
Me, if I really wanted to go fishing there, I'd check on state closed waters regs & if not listed go do it. Then wait n see who says what and go from there. I'm not saying that's what you should do.
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Here is the response to my email to council who obviously referred it to lend lease.
Must complement both for speedy response.
Cheers
Ray
Today at 8:45 AM
Thompson, Mark
To MeSheila Ireland
Today at 9:54 AM
Hello Mr Kennedy,
Thank you for your note regarding fishing in the lakes at Springfield Lakes. Please note the following:
1. Unfortunately fishing is not permitted in any of the lakes. This stance (which is unlikely to be changed whilst Lend Lease remains responsible for the water bodies) is taken for a number of reasons, including:
· To protect the resident fish population from depletion
· To discourage residents from stocking the lake with fish of their own choosing (e.g. non-natives), which may upset the balance of the ecosystem
· Experience in the past here and elsewhere has shown that less considerate anglers carelessly discard their used line, bait etc around the lake, which then become both an eyesore and a hazard for wildlife
2. Spring Lake was stocked with golden perch fingerlings in late 2009.
3. In an extensive fish survey carried out in 2010, no tilapia were found amongst the 2103 fish caught.
Regards
Mark Thompson | Senior Development Manager, Springfield Lakes | Communities | Lend Lease
Ps those yellas must be getting a respectable size now :-\
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Thanks for clearing it up Ray. So, as the Lake is privately owned, and the owners do not permit fishing in the lake, we won't have any reports posted here.
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Need to do another survey or check the DAFF Noxious/pestfish data base.
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Better add I dont fish there can read signs, though as it is not far from me have collected zooplankton, daphnia, copepods and other invertebrates.
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Thanks Ray.
I still wonder if this is still council owned and leased, which would make it crown water, that being the case, state fisheries regs would apply.
And, if it is crown water, was there a permit to stock issued?
Native fish? Yellow belly? What world is yellow belly native to SE QLD in?
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Got 2 Aequidens rivulatus juvies when catching invertebrates (not fishing) reported them. Probably best not say the most common non indiginous native in there and its not yellas.
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Got 2 Aequidens rivulatus juvies when catching invertebrates (not fishing) reported them. Probably best not say the most common non indiginous native in there and its not yellas.
For the dumbos like me.
Cheers
Ray
Green Terror - Aequidens rivulatus
Species name: Aequidens rivulatus
Synonym: Chromis rivulata
Common name: Green Terror
Family: Cichlidae
Order: Perciformes
Class: Actinopterygii
Maximum size: 20 cm / 8 inches
Environment: freshwater
Origin: South America
Temperament: Aggressive
Company: best kept with other cichlids of the same temperament.
Water parameters: Temperature 20-25C / 68-67F; pH 6.5 – 8.0
Aquarium setup: Aequidens rivulatus (Green Terror) Needs a big aquarium. The aquarium should be decorated with rocks and roots. They like to dig so any rocks should be placed directly on the bottom of the aquarium to avoid damage to the aquarium when they dig. Any planted plants will be dug up.
Feeding: Aequidens rivulatus (Green Terror) accepts all types of food.
Breeding: Aequidens rivulatus (Green Terror) breeds on rocks that have been carefully cleaned in advancee. The pair takes care of the fry togheter and they are usually excellent parets. This species is very aggressive while they are protecting their fry. Each spawning can result in over 400 fry which can be feed mashed flake food right from the start.
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So, the sentence could have read "Got two Green Terror Cichilds while catching shrimp....?"
I thought the term fishing encompassed the netting or trapping of invertebrates.
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With a lot of animals, common names can be very ambiguous. That's why using scientific names is very specific, and the end result identifies only one particular species.
Especially with species of Cichlids, they are so many different ones in the pet trade. Some common names used in their sale don't adequately identify what it really is.
Keep up the good work Elops. Fascinating stuff.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Sorry best to use binomial nomenclature as Dave said there are a lot of cichlids with a plethora of common names. These are the guys in the upper Tweed, the fact sheet Ray posted you will note says Tropical 20-25c but it gets a fair bit cooler on the pacific slope in Peru so they seem to be able to establish in our local waters. Quite a few of these SA cichlids with the same potential.
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Just to save Ray's bandwidth
Binomial Nomenclature:
the system of nomenclature in which two terms are used to denote a species of living organism, the first one indicating the genus and the second the specific epithet.
nomenclature:
the devising or choosing of names for things, especially in a science or other discipline.
Epithet:
an adjective or phrase expressing a quality or attribute regarded as characteristic of the person or thing mentioned.
;D
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Lets not split hairs....Cichlids are cichlids. In this context, they are all non natives and pests to Aussie waters. :walkplank
If it walks like a duck..... ?
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The sad thing is there are Aussie 14 year olds who can tell you the Genus and species of the Bluefinned assbiter as well as the location in the lake in Africa where it originates from yet would be unable to identify a Gudgeon in the local creek.
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Again, for Ray
assbiter
someone or something that bites ass..usually only when provoked..like when you take his cookies or step on his tootsie...Other word for Ass Biter..Etnie
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Just made up that common name off the top of my head don't waste your bandwidth ;)
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Sounds like Forest Lake too, can understand why fishing is prohibited (heaps of children running around). Is the council responsible for pest control?? Its full off non natives!
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Sounds like Forest Lake too, can understand why fishing is prohibited (heaps of children running around). Is the council responsible for pest control?? Its full off non natives!
Agreed.
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Is the council responsible for pest control?? Its full off non natives!
State govt responsibility to control noxious fish, but there's nothing stopping council from assisting. In practice they do no practical work about noxious fish in forrest lake. Costs far less to print a few brochures and call it "education" than actually trying to remove any, which is waste of time unless you get every single fish and egg; an impossible task. May as well run a "carp comp" for all the meaningful effect it would have on the fish....
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Forest Lake was handed over to BCC by Lend Lease a few years back. There are still remnants of the old Delfin no fishing signs, but mean nothing now.
I have contacted 3 different departments from council; Parks, Local laws and general enquiries. Each in writing has given the same answer. Horse riding, motor vehicles and golf are non approved activities in council parks. Fishing does not make that list unless specifically signed otherwise (like the ferry terminals on the river). Parks did qualify that they can do something if you fish from the bikepath, for safety reasons. But there are plenty of grassy bits and a canoe ramp.
I often fish Forest Lake and cop attitude from locals for it. One even called the cops on me, I refused after they tried a move on order (I was on the yak). they made a couple of calls and warned me to stop harrassing park users if I wanted to stay. WTF? in the middle of the lake. Best jump in your patrol car before you embarrass yourself further officer. Caught a 9l bucket full of tilapia that day.
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Attached map shows free hold & reserve land at Springfield Lake.
Green is reserve
Blue is Freehold
Interesting to see the lake itself is listed as freehold. Therefore may or may not not be crown land...... For comparison Lake Wivenhoe itself also shows up as 100% freehold (even the water) , but is in fact crown waters....
Other lakes in the springfield lakes chain; Regatta Lake & Discovery Lake are 100% freehold, both water and all surrounding land. No reserves showing around these.