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Special Interest => Kayak & Canoe Chat => Topic started by: Sweetwater on September 13, 2011, 02:46:01 PM
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Ok folks,
Here's your opportunity to comment on the 2011 Wivenhoe Kayak & Canoe Convention....
What did you like?
What didn't you like?
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
Comments on the venue?
Timing & duration of the event?
Cost?
Safety/risk management?
Marquee - did it help?
Do we need a safety boat?
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
I'm looking for your constructive comments / ideas for future event.....
Some ideas already suggested by others (may not be workable from our end but worth throwing up for discussion)
* Have 2 different divisions in same event & split the prizes - River Vs Lake
* Lake only as in the past, but keep the river as a backup in case of bad weather & lake gets closed again due to wind
* No access to Billies Bay / Hayes Landing unless everyone can have access
* Have 2 events a week apart (one for river, one for lake) [I can't see this being workable with our resources - fitz]
* Have 2 events 6 months apart (lake in spring, river in summer) [been an idea of mine for a while but a double up on advertising / paperwork, insurance etc]
* Le Mans style start from Logans Inlet only. No driving elsewhere
* Keep the river as part of the event same as this year, good for people who don't have kayaks suitable to the open water (lake)
* Have more displays to make a full on expo [possible to do, but could affect current long term sponsors]
* Have an early birds dinner in the Thursday night at local pub/restaurant [easily done -fitz]
* Allow electric powered boats / tinnies [not happening at this event, go to ABT - fitz]
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* Would you come again? If not, why?
* If you haven't attended, what would encourage you to come?
Cheers,
fitz..
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(a) What did you like?
The FFSAQ fish display was a good inclusion , big effort on their part to set up those tanks just for the weekend .
What didn't you like?
The Seqwater nazi who told us to turn the music off.....wtf??? Not like it was loud or late in the evening .
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in Comments on the venue?
Was a great inclusion , especially as the weather gods ruled out the lake .
Timing & duration of the event?
No need to for any change on the times.
Cost?
Almost too cheap !! For a $50 entry we got 2 chances out of 97 of winning a yak in a random draw . Its THE best raffle going .
Safety/risk management?
Was setup perfectly .
Do we need a safety boat?
Ask the fella in the caninghi , I bet he appreciated it .
Marquee - did it help?
The marquee was a good rallying point. Great for shade on the final day's event roundup. Previous years have been very uncomfortable standing in the full sun ( after fishing and getting sunburnt for 2 days prior ) during the final presentations . Also good insurance for wet weather .
Cheers,
Dave.
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(b)
* Have 2 different divisions in same event & split the prizes - River Vs Lake
Definately . I'd like to see 2 separate events run simultaneously . A "Brisbane River Bass bash" and the " Lake Wivenhoe comp " . Setup exactly the same with the points given for largest Bass and largest Golden Perch. Have a random draw for a kayak for each event .
* Lake only as in the past, but keep the river as a backup in case of bad weather & lake gets closed again due to wind
I can't see this as being workable . To fish the river 'best' , one needs a different yak than one needs to fish the lake . Every competitor would need to bring their own plastic navy just in case.
* Have more displays to make a full on expo [possible to do, but could affect current long term sponsors]
To make the event a full on expo aswell would certainly increase the amount of feet on the ground at the venue . Maybe a naming rights sponsorship could be added .
Overall, the event the way it is/has been , has a great laidback feel to it . The chance for people to come and camp and go for a fish amongst other like minded fishos has a certain appeal to it ( almost like a drinking club with a kayak problem ) . Just a few of my thoughts.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Thanks Dave,
Comments taken on board. :thanks
fitz..
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Scrap that bycatch species of the GP.
Bloody GP's
Four years for this result.
0 0 0 0
or 8 days for this result
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
or 60 hours for this result
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
now let me think of something else for the rest of the things. Will come back to you.
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How many entrants were there this year?
I will make some suggestions later..
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Feedback,
What did you like?
a. I loved the whole event! Social but competitive and run exceptionally well :thumbsup
What didn't you like?
a. Going home to 4 sick kids on Sunday :))
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
a. I think the river was excellent inclusion given the weather.
Comments on the venue?
a. Venue was great I am pretty sure you would drive a long way to find better facilities camping wise anyway.
Timing & duration of the event?
a. I would not change anything on this front.
Cost?
a. Agree with Novice about it being almost too cheap (but this is possibly what keeps people coming back)
Safety/risk management?
a. I think the calls made were spot on in relation to the weather/conditions on each day
Marquee - did it help?
a. :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup
Do we need a safety boat?
a. Yes I think it showed it's value given the conditions on Saturday.
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
a. Lions did a great job with fantastic prices.
I'm looking for your constructive comments / ideas for future event.....
Some ideas already suggested by others (may not be workable from our end but worth throwing up for discussion)
* Have 2 different divisions in same event & split the prizes - River Vs Lake
a. It's hard to argue against the river given the results. My preference would be for just the lake though.
* Lake only as in the past, but keep the river as a backup in case of bad weather & lake gets closed again due to wind
a. Top idea to have the river on standby for weather events.
* No access to Billies Bay / Hayes Landing unless everyone can have access
a. Agreed. In reference to below with all kayaks taking off from Logans would make a great atmosphere/social aspect prior to the flag dropping and kayaks going hell west and crooked across the lake.
* Have 2 events a week apart (one for river, one for lake) [I can't see this being workable with our resources - fitz]
a. That would be a nightmare.
* Have 2 events 6 months apart (lake in spring, river in summer) [been an idea of mine for a while but a double up on advertising / paperwork, insurance etc]
a. A great idea depending on insurance costs and other factors.
* Le Mans style start from Logans Inlet only. No driving elsewhere
a. I think this has creedence from a spectator point of view.
* Keep the river as part of the event same as this year, good for people who don't have kayaks suitable to the open water (lake)
a. Hard to argue against that too.
* Have more displays to make a full on expo [possible to do, but could affect current long term sponsors]
a. Not sure.
* Have an early birds dinner in the Thursday night at local pub/restaurant [easily done -fitz]
a. I think you have that covered.
* Allow electric powered boats / tinnies [not happening at this event, go to ABT - fitz]
a. It's a Kayak/Canoe convention. ABT have the electric thing covered.
A great event that I would not hesitate to jump on board as a sponsor again next year. Thanks for the opportunity to provide some feedback.
Regards
Colin
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How many entrants were there this year?
85 Sel
As of the Thursday before we were on track to be on par with, or just above the highest attendance, I would think the friday storm & bad weather forecast chased some of the 25 - 30 that show up on the friday night / saturday morning away.
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I did not attend this year due to another commitment but would like to comment on the river aspect. I have previously tried to sus out launching spots and apart from twin bridges I have not been able to find anything that I would be able to launch my yak from { viking nemo with bow mount).
Is there such a thing as a friendly property owner who would allow launching from a yak friendly bank?
Cheers
Ray
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It's all very well writing up posts that are warm and fuzzy. That doesn't help achieve nitty gritty feed back, so is of little value when feedback is requested. Some people are not prepared to disclose their true thoughts for whatever reasons they may have.
Some people were simply not happy.
I thought a few others might have brought up a few things discussed by various people at the weekend. Didn't happen so I'm happy to play Devil's Advocate.
The following are some of my (the obvious bit for example) and some other folks thoughts I heard/overheard and discussed at the weekend.
Wivenhoe K & C Convention belongs on Wivenhoe, or change the name/venue.
Decision to fish the river.
Was it made because fishing the dam was gonna be too hard? The fact that Wivenhoe was fishing poorly, by that I mean not the same as it NORMALLY fishes, actually would have made it a flat pitch because everyone, visitors and regulars would not have the benefit of years of local experience.?
Was it made because a heap of big fish were virtually trapped in a confined area and that local knowledge would once again yield the best results.
The decision to fish the river was made long before the weather forecast could have been considered to be of relevance.
The bass are not schooling up this year, whatever will we do?
Psst I know a river close by.
The biggest Furphy of all with NO ONE stating the obvious.
The fish are in the river, they went over the wall.
OBVIOUS---> Hellooooo, If that was the reality Somerset should have replenished whatever Wivenhoe had lost unless the Somerset fish headed straight for next big drop.
I agree with some of this and overheard some of this. Feel free to decide what is mine and what isn't. Anybody asks me I'll tell them.
Some folk just don't wanna say what's on their mind.
Cheers John.
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Great event as usual Fitzy; enjoyed it yet again, would have liked to have stuck around after closing to catch up with more people; but my own silly fault for living on an island. ;)
What did you like?
Ignoring the obvious details relating to the event, I'll concentrate on the specifics for this year that were very good:
The option of purchasing food at night; saves a whole lot of stuffing around for those who would prefer not to BYO.
The willingness to put safety first, and closing down the main basin. Unfortunate for the trimaran-endowed like myself, but a whole lot of smart in general.
What didn't you like?
I was counting on those hard trivial bloody pursuit questions to try and win back some street cred after my Wivenhoe '74' reply. Ahh well; I'll wear the dunce cap.
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
Great idea. If this were a competition first, and a social event second; I might have some reservations associated with level playing fields.. but this is a fantastic social opportunity, wrapped around a competition in order to give us a conversation starter. In that context, I reckon it works absolutely beautifully. I'd support either option in the future; I'm sure sticking to W would make things a whole lot simpler, but I have no problems with spreading to the 4-winds either.
Comments on the venue?
Up to the task.
Timing & duration of the event?
Good. Allows those with inflexible working situations to attend the full event, and not miss anything.
Cost?
Excellent. I spent more on lures for the event.
Knowing that there would be a reasonable range of lures available at the next event, I'd probably spend those dollars AT the event next year; which could be a percentage earner for the stocking group.
Safety/risk management?
Up to par. River is going to make things tougher for you though.
Marquee - did it help?
Ambivalent; I think we (attendees) didn't take advantage of it as much as we could have.. but I'm unsure as to the circumstances that would be required in order to boost that popularity (other than sticking a bunch of chairs in the middle to allow for pop-up micro discussions).
Do we need a safety boat?
I think it's a pretty important part of your risk management strategy, but it's not something that makes much sense in the context of river wanderers.
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
Simple is probably good. We can cope with, and even enjoy, a bit of grease over the weekend. The evening barbies were a good call.
* Have 2 different divisions in same event & split the prizes - River Vs Lake
I think it's likely that this would have decreasing value over time, as the rivers start to get harder, and the lake starts to get easier once more; techniques will differ, but relative likelihood of catching competitive bass/yellows, will probably be similar in a few years time.
* Lake only as in the past, but keep the river as a backup in case of bad weather & lake gets closed again due to wind
Not a bad option, in a situation where competition overrides the social aspect.. but I think it's unlikely that people are competing for prizes; River & lake adds to the fun each individual has.
* No access to Billies Bay / Hayes Landing unless everyone can have access
I'll leave this for others to comment.. with the Adventure, I can get up that way without too much stress anyway.
* Le Mans style start from Logans Inlet only. No driving elsewhere
Nah, too many advantages for those with turbo yaks/sails like myself, in that case.
* Keep the river as part of the event same as this year, good for people who don't have kayaks suitable to the open water (lake)
If I can fish skinny water with a 5m AI, anyone can. If blokes can catch bass in the basin on a tiny little Australis squid.. anyone can (condition dependent). To mangle an old quote: The yak doth not maketh the man (or woman) :)
* Have more displays to make a full on expo.
Love the idea, but it will be at the expense of major sponsors; as long as people are happy with potentially less 'big' prizes, and potentially less resources that Fitzy and the team could potentially put in, this could be workable.
* Allow electric powered boats / tinnies
Meh.
* Would you come again? If not, why?
Of course! I haven't won anything in 5 years, so that means that kayak must be MINE next year! MINE I say! ;) :))
Red.
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What did you like?
- Again great enthusiasm shown by the organisers, Fitzy, Dale and Co, :Clap)
- More Sponsors than previous years awesome :tick
- I did like the year 2009 event, good mix of activities and we all fished the dam
What didn't you like?
hmmmm
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
I did not like, I was not alone. Some did attend but did not fish the event, others just didn't show up. The event is called the Wivenhoe Convention, thought it was about the dam, well it has been for me and plenty of other people. Should be a name change maybe if you intend to continue with the event in this current form. Thought is was unfair that some entrants could reach better water due to access. In general the mention of word river left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth. If you have to fish the river maybe have a different event all together......
Comments on the venue?
Great Venue
Timing & duration of the event?
Good
Cost?
Ok with me but if there was need of a price increase I would agree
Safety/risk management?
Seemed strange to me that we were all driving in our cars during a competition. Aren't we supposed to be paddling a kayak or a canoe..
Marquee - did it help?
Yes, was handy, if it was raining it would be even better for the briefings
Do we need a safety boat?
Yes
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
I thought the Lions Club did an excellent job, the food was great as were the prices...One comment though there seemed to be no great gathering at the food venue this year, maybe because some found out late or there were less people this year.
I would like to see the Icecream Van as a Lunch Time Option, I could handle some hotdogs for lunch and maybe wash them down with an icecream.
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Have 2 different divisions in same event & split the prizes - River Vs Lake :X
* Lake only as in the past, but keep the river as a backup in case of bad weather & lake gets closed again due to wind :tick or split prizes use in lucky draw or have more raffles, no river at all
* No access to Billies Bay / Hayes Landing unless everyone can have access :tick
* Have 2 events a week apart (one for river, one for lake) [I can't see this being workable with our resources - fitz] :X
* Have 2 events 6 months apart (lake in spring, river in summer) [been an idea of mine for a while but a double up on advertising / paperwork, insurance etc] :tick
* Le Mans style start from Logans Inlet only. No driving elsewhere :tick
* Keep the river as part of the event same as this year, good for people who don't have kayaks suitable to the open water (lake) :X
* Have more displays to make a full on expo [possible to do, but could affect current long term sponsors] :tick Could be doable and would be great for the sport and industry
* Have an early birds dinner in the Thursday night at local pub/restaurant [easily done -fitz] :tick
* Allow electric powered boats / tinnies [not happening at this event, go to ABT - fitz] :X
Would you come again? If not, why? Still undecided if it was in the same texture as the event we have just had.
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It's all very well writing up posts that are warm and fuzzy. That doesn't help achieve nitty gritty feed back, so is of little value when feedback is requested. Some people are not prepared to disclose their true thoughts for whatever reasons they may have.
Some people were simply not happy.
I thought a few others might have brought up a few things discussed by various people at the weekend. Didn't happen so I'm happy to play Devil's Advocate.
The following are some of my (the obvious bit for example) and some other folks thoughts I heard/overheard and discussed at the weekend.
Wivenhoe K & C Convention belongs on Wivenhoe, or change the name/venue.
Decision to fish the river.
Was it made because fishing the dam was gonna be too hard? The fact that Wivenhoe was fishing poorly, by that I mean not the same as it NORMALLY fishes, actually would have made it a flat pitch because everyone, visitors and regulars would not have the benefit of years of local experience.?
Was it made because a heap of big fish were virtually trapped in a confined area and that local knowledge would once again yield the best results.
The decision to fish the river was made long before the weather forecast could have been considered to be of relevance.
The bass are not schooling up this year, whatever will we do?
Psst I know a river close by.
The biggest Furphy of all with NO ONE stating the obvious.
The fish are in the river, they went over the wall.
OBVIOUS---> Hellooooo, If that was the reality Somerset should have replenished whatever Wivenhoe had lost unless the Somerset fish headed straight for next big drop.
I agree with some of this and overheard some of this.
Some folk just don't wanna say what's on their mind.
Cheers John.
Appreciate the feedback John.
Trapped in a confined area? Hardly John. The fish that went over the wall are right through the whole river & can move up & down the 60odd km of river above Mt Crosby at will & as far as they like below it.
I guess the main reason for it is fairly well as explained, with a muddy Wivenhoe at the time the decision was made, we had no idea how it was going to fish. And as predicted the fishing in the lake has been tough since the flood & the river fishing well in a once in a decade event. We still don't know the full effect of the flood, it could take up to a decade for it to recover to its former glory. The main reason for the event in the first place was as a fundraiser for further fish stocking, but also to provide an event for kayak & canoe fishing enthusiasts which hadn't been done before; the copy cats came out soon after. Another part was to showcase the area, the facilities and our great waterways.
With the majority of folks fishing the river option this year, I wonder how many really would have come to an event on a near barren lake? (considering we had to make this decision months ago) As I always state, its the people who come who make the event & make it worth while to run as a fund raiser. If bugger all come, the event runs at a loss & that means I pull the money out my own pocket to pay for the loss, as was the case in the last Kirkleagh Klassic that suffered from poor weather reports the weeks leading up to the event & attendance numbers crashed, that cost me a week of my life & about $500 for the privelege.
While I think I'm a very community minded guy, I'm not prepared to give up weeks and months of planning, effort & the inevitable affect on personal life (kids / relationship) for a haircut. Noting that I personally don't make a cent out of it if the event is successful, I certainly could if I wanted to do that, but all profits have always gone to the fish restocking. (bet no other kayak event of a similar scale can say the same). Maybe I should consider it as I'm the one who takes the risk....
Anyhow, I'm not criticising the feedback, simply trying to explain some of the back ground. In saying the above, the event needs a certain number to attend for it to be a success, so I'm crazy if I don't do my best to get a setup that is attractive to most people. 100 is good, 150 is getting out of hand with current setup/staffing and under 50 means I go home with my tail between my legs & throw in the towel. There is a break even number that is needed. Things like the Marquee cost $900 and the rest of the expenses all up to about $2500, so if 50 attend @ $50 each we break even. I hope that helps explain that part.
Yep, no warm n fuzzies required, I'd prefer to have an event to suit most folks if it's workable & enjoyable so keep the feedback coming & some contructive ideas would help.
Cheers,
fitz..
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What did you like?
- Again great enthusiasm shown by the organisers, Fitzy, Dale and Co, :Clap)
- More Sponsors than previous years awesome :tick
- I did like the year 2009 event, good mix of activities and we all fished the dam
What didn't you like?
hmmmm
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
I did not like, I was not alone. Some did attend but did not fish the event, others just didn't show up. The event is called the Wivenhoe Convention, thought it was about the dam, well it has been for me and plenty of other people. Should be a name change maybe if you intend to continue with the event in this current form. Thought is was unfair that some entrants could reach better water due to access. In general the mention of word river left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouth. If you have to fish the river maybe have a different event all together......
Comments on the venue?
Great Venue
Timing & duration of the event?
Good
Cost?
Ok with me but if there was need of a price increase I would agree
Safety/risk management?
Seemed strange to me that we were all driving in our cars during a competition. Aren't we supposed to be paddling a kayak or a canoe..
Marquee - did it help?
Yes, was handy, if it was raining it would be even better for the briefings
Do we need a safety boat?
Yes
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
I thought the Lions Club did an excellent job, the food was great as were the prices...One comment though there seemed to be no great gathering at the food venue this year, maybe because some found out late or there were less people this year.
I would like to see the Icecream Van as a Lunch Time Option, I could handle some hotdogs for lunch and maybe wash them down with an icecream.
_________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ _________________________________________________ ______
Have 2 different divisions in same event & split the prizes - River Vs Lake :X
* Lake only as in the past, but keep the river as a backup in case of bad weather & lake gets closed again due to wind :tick or split prizes use in lucky draw or have more raffles, no river at all
* No access to Billies Bay / Hayes Landing unless everyone can have access :tick
* Have 2 events a week apart (one for river, one for lake) [I can't see this being workable with our resources - fitz] :X
* Have 2 events 6 months apart (lake in spring, river in summer) [been an idea of mine for a while but a double up on advertising / paperwork, insurance etc] :tick
* Le Mans style start from Logans Inlet only. No driving elsewhere :tick
* Keep the river as part of the event same as this year, good for people who don't have kayaks suitable to the open water (lake) :X
* Have more displays to make a full on expo [possible to do, but could affect current long term sponsors] :tick Could be doable and would be great for the sport and industry
* Have an early birds dinner in the Thursday night at local pub/restaurant [easily done -fitz] :tick
* Allow electric powered boats / tinnies [not happening at this event, go to ABT - fitz] :X
Would you come again? If not, why? Still undecided if it was in the same texture as the event we have just had.
Thanks Sel,
And I've got to say a thankyou to you personally for spreading the word this year & your hurry-ups from time to time. :youbeauty
Yeah, a level playing field is difficult at times. No matter which way I come at it, there's always someone who will be advantaged to others based un their kayak & their own physical captabilities. Can someone paddle 11km across the open lake to get to the flats of Norths Point in a 10 foot sit in or can they get a heavy Hobie pro-angler down the bank at Lowood?........... There's always going to be someone not happy. One good thing was the offer from Dave & Wes to help others get their kayak up from the Shines Rd access point. I ran with people choosing their own prefered spot based on their craft, abilities or personal preference, and I actually expected alot more to team up & do the 2 car thing to drop off & pick up at another, be that river or between 2 spots on the lake. I'm amazed more don't do it as it saves back tracking covered water.
Appreciate the comments re river. I guess those who came for the first time just because they only have a small yak suitable for the river would disagree. Hoping to get everyone's feedback & take that on board to suit most folks.
Thanks again.
fitz..
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Scrap that bycatch species of the GP.
Bloody GP's
Four years for this result.
0 0 0 0
or 8 days for this result
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
or 60 hours for this result
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
now let me think of something else for the rest of the things. Will come back to you.
Toughen up princess....... ;)
Seriously tho, if more agree we can look at it. I've had feedback asking for all stocked species to be included eg cod, yellas, silvers, saratoga.
Another suggestion was to have no length/points, just pics but not sure how you'd pick the best pic...???
Thanks for commenting. :thanks
fitz..
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I did not attend this year due to another commitment but would like to comment on the river aspect. I have previously tried to sus out launching spots and apart from twin bridges I have not been able to find anything that I would be able to launch my yak from { viking nemo with bow mount).
Is there such a thing as a friendly property owner who would allow launching from a yak friendly bank?
Cheers
Ray
Thanks for commenting Ray.
There are several friendly property owners. You just need to go door knocking to find them. Don't be disappointed by the ones who will show you the door tho.
Cheers,
fitz..
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Great event, my first event and enjoyed it , the inclusion of the river was great! there was a map with with all the launch spots for the river and the people that asked for help to get their bigger yaks in the river received help. all any one had to do is ask ;)
marquee was a great idea, times were great, safety was great, knowing safety boat was there was great,the socializing with like minded people was great, seeing the show and shine to see a lot of great ideas, prizes great, great great and great ! keep the river section open and have two divisions like the old ansa comps inshore and offshore! only this event would be dam and river.. that way it covers 2 aspects of crafts, big rigs for open water and small rigs for river and creek style fishing! after all, its about all styles of kayaks and canoes. with the river open as well as the dam this encourages all styles of yaks and canoes. not just big fast expensive yaks and canoes.
casting comp would add to entertainment and test some skills
all in all i loved the event and met some great people :youbeauty
p.s to say the fish in the river are in a confined area is a joke :)) :))
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Great event as usual Fitzy; enjoyed it yet again, would have liked to have stuck around after closing to catch up with more people; but my own silly fault for living on an island. ;)
What did you like?
Ignoring the obvious details relating to the event, I'll concentrate on the specifics for this year that were very good:
The option of purchasing food at night; saves a whole lot of stuffing around for those who would prefer not to BYO.
The willingness to put safety first, and closing down the main basin. Unfortunate for the trimaran-endowed like myself, but a whole lot of smart in general.
What didn't you like?
I was counting on those hard trivial bloody pursuit questions to try and win back some street cred after my Wivenhoe '74' reply. Ahh well; I'll wear the dunce cap.
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
Great idea. If this were a competition first, and a social event second; I might have some reservations associated with level playing fields.. but this is a fantastic social opportunity, wrapped around a competition in order to give us a conversation starter. In that context, I reckon it works absolutely beautifully. I'd support either option in the future; I'm sure sticking to W would make things a whole lot simpler, but I have no problems with spreading to the 4-winds either.
Comments on the venue?
Up to the task.
Timing & duration of the event?
Good. Allows those with inflexible working situations to attend the full event, and not miss anything.
Cost?
Excellent. I spent more on lures for the event.
Knowing that there would be a reasonable range of lures available at the next event, I'd probably spend those dollars AT the event next year; which could be a percentage earner for the stocking group.
Safety/risk management?
Up to par. River is going to make things tougher for you though.
Marquee - did it help?
Ambivalent; I think we (attendees) didn't take advantage of it as much as we could have.. but I'm unsure as to the circumstances that would be required in order to boost that popularity (other than sticking a bunch of chairs in the middle to allow for pop-up micro discussions).
Do we need a safety boat?
I think it's a pretty important part of your risk management strategy, but it's not something that makes much sense in the context of river wanderers.
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
Simple is probably good. We can cope with, and even enjoy, a bit of grease over the weekend. The evening barbies were a good call.
* Have 2 different divisions in same event & split the prizes - River Vs Lake
I think it's likely that this would have decreasing value over time, as the rivers start to get harder, and the lake starts to get easier once more; techniques will differ, but relative likelihood of catching competitive bass/yellows, will probably be similar in a few years time.
* Lake only as in the past, but keep the river as a backup in case of bad weather & lake gets closed again due to wind
Not a bad option, in a situation where competition overrides the social aspect.. but I think it's unlikely that people are competing for prizes; River & lake adds to the fun each individual has.
* No access to Billies Bay / Hayes Landing unless everyone can have access
I'll leave this for others to comment.. with the Adventure, I can get up that way without too much stress anyway.
* Le Mans style start from Logans Inlet only. No driving elsewhere
Nah, too many advantages for those with turbo yaks/sails like myself, in that case.
* Keep the river as part of the event same as this year, good for people who don't have kayaks suitable to the open water (lake)
If I can fish skinny water with a 5m AI, anyone can. If blokes can catch bass in the basin on a tiny little Australis squid.. anyone can (condition dependent). To mangle an old quote: The yak doth not maketh the man (or woman) :)
* Have more displays to make a full on expo.
Love the idea, but it will be at the expense of major sponsors; as long as people are happy with potentially less 'big' prizes, and potentially less resources that Fitzy and the team could potentially put in, this could be workable.
* Allow electric powered boats / tinnies
Meh.
* Would you come again? If not, why?
Of course! I haven't won anything in 5 years, so that means that kayak must be MINE next year! MINE I say! ;) :))
Red.
Thanks for commenting Red. :youbeauty
If you'd like to seek comments from AKFF I'm happy to take a look.
I was surprized you took the AI down the river, well done. You got equal 2nd biggest bass for the event & didn't win a thing. I need to address that in the future I recon. Maybe drop the points or prizes for biggest per day & just have biggest of species; 1st, 2nd 3rd etc.... I recon it needs to be recognised.
I spoke with Charltons owners tonight regarding the event & they're talking about having more tackle out there for folks to grab if needed.
I don't think we need to increase the price to enter, want to make it affordable for those on a tight budget considering the fuel cost, camping fees on top of the entry. Those who have a few $ spare & buy raffle tickets make all the difference in regard to money raised. (over $1000 from raffles this year!!!) :thanks
Food / BBQ wise, this will be far better organised next year & advertised much further in advance.
I'd like to get more displays there & have more on water testing available. Happy to hear from any manufacturers about getting involved.
Agree that the river will not fish as well again & will probably not be an influence on the scoreboard in coming years, but I would think that many would still prefer to go there even if they know they won't be a chance of winning. I don't think many come to actually win, from the feedback I get it's mostly around the social aspect.
Thanks again for the feedback, it's great to get such a good response from you & everyone else.
Cheers,
fitz..
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You got equal 2nd biggest bass for the event & didn't win a thing.
Bloody hell mate.. don't do that to me. I've got a whole year now to give StevenM the sh*ts, accusing him of stretching fish, asking him whether he weighed it down with lead before the photo, wondering aloud if his photoshop skills are any good, crowing that I can almost beat him with a 10 buck flatty lure... If I actually WON something, I'd have to shut my mouth, and leave him be! ;)
(Steve, of course, would do none of that. He's a more consistent bass fisherman when he's asleep, than I am at my best.. don't tell him that though.. he'll get a big head. ... bigger head.).
... in all seriousness though; I'm sure that I'm like many that attend; Prizes are not the reason we come. I'd get much more fun out of seeing lures get thrown randomly into the crowd, than participating in a more structured prize system. Top angler/top bass/top yellow works well. It gives you something to strive for, and drives you to come back next year. Others opinions may vary, or course.
AKFF has a report thread running, with a link to this topic for opinions. I suspect most AKFF attendees will have an account here also.
http://www.akff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=50038 (http://www.akff.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=50038)
Red.
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What did you like? .
I love it all. The people, the event the way the it is run. Top job by all. No real sheep station stuff, everyone gets a chance to walk away with something. Even Richo the Wivenhoe Bass Virgin got into the goodies without getting his yak wet.
What didn't you like?
Alison stealing my yella. Cast in that area for about an hour on the Saturday for nadah. Bloody yella’s. Keepem in the mix as it makes things interesting.
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
Good. Gave a back up plan with the winds. Although it may not fish as well in the future, should be part of the event. As Wes said, if someone wanted a hand there was someone to help. All they have to do is ask. And for those that said they haven’t got a yak to fish the river, well Leigh is testament that he took his AI to two different destinations without any problem.
Others said that the river cant handle all these people fishing on it. My comment to that is Bullshit. There is enough river for everyone. Even the Shines section had probably 12 if not more in the area on Sunday. Add the 5 tinnies that were there as well and there was still room.
Comments on the venue?
Spot on. Good amenities, good camping area and good value.
Timing & duration of the event?
Spot on. With enough notice people can manage most situations and make the journey up or down to the “switch” (and to those that do, I tip my hat off to you). Numbers slightly down this year but the weather probably stopped a few coming. But then again we still managed almost 90 odd competitors. Any tourney, boat / electric or kay would be licking their lips to get such numbers.
Cost?
Bloody cheap. 50 bucks entry to get a chance or multiple chances at winning 12 grand worth of goodies.
Safety/risk management?
On the money. Rules in place, people adhere to them. Even seeing someone like Wes who was on the river on Sunday realize that he forgot his key tag stop fishing and drive back to get his tag, what can you say about that. It works.
Marquee - did it help?
Yep. Was great to have a communal area for the presentations. Out of the Sunday Sun(not in your face as per previous) Good thing.
Do we need a safety boat?
Yes.Only heard and seen some pics so obviously it works and is needed.
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
Lions did a great job. The Bacon, rissole and egg burger was so good that I had two. So many options, you could get some one in with a portable spit, portable Pizza ovens, and at the end of the day, I am there to fish and the last thing I want to do is organize a cook up for myself.
I'm looking for your constructive comments / ideas for future event.....
Some ideas already suggested by others (may not be workable from our end but worth throwing up for discussion)
* Have 2 different divisions in same event & split the prizes - River Vs Lake –
Nope, get the princess’ to toughen up.
* Lake only as in the past, but keep the river as a backup in case of bad weather & lake gets closed again due to wind
Still like the option of both. Different situations, different kayaks, any one has a chance.
* No access to Billies Bay / Hayes Landing unless everyone can have access
Fair call. Must be open areas for public access. Am a key holder but want a level playing field in that type of situation.
* Have 2 events a week apart (one for river, one for lake) [I can't see this being workable with our resources - fitz]
Get out of town. You would be dead.
* Have 2 events 6 months apart (lake in spring, river in summer) [been an idea of mine for a while but a double up on advertising / paperwork, insurance etc]
Would be good but a bit of a strain getting sponsors on board, numbers and as you said the paperwork. If it ant broke don’t fix. (but secretly would love to see 2)
* Le Mans style start from Logans Inlet only. No driving elsewhere
Yeah, looks good, but……not every one is gunna be happy with any and all rules and situations. They don’t like, I have a shoulder to cry on if needed.
* Keep the river as part of the event same as this year, good for people who don't have kayaks suitable to the open water (lake)
Yep it worked. So why not.
* Have more displays to make a full on expo [possible to do, but could affect current long term sponsors]
Your call, doent really turn me on. Enough happening in my opinion.
* Have an early birds dinner in the Thursday night at local pub/restaurant [easily done -fitz]
Noice
* Allow electric powered boats / tinnies [not happening at this event, go to ABT - fitz]
Yeah go away.Lots of other tournies for ya.
* Would you come again? If not, why?
Yep, just to get a kiss from Dale was a bonus.
* If you haven't attended, what would encourage you to come?
Madness if you were not there. You even missed out on “Some Say”
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I did go to some lengths to explain that I was "playing the Devil's Advocate" in my post. It's not a frequently used term:
In common parlance, a devil's advocate is someone who, given a certain argument, takes a position he or she does not necessarily agree with, just for the sake of argument. In taking such position, the individual taking on the devil's advocate role seeks to engage others in an argumentative discussion process. The purpose of such process is typically to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure, and to use such information to either improve or abandon the original, opposing position. It can also refer (less commonly) to someone who takes a stance that is seen as unpopular or unconventional, but is actually another way of arguing a more conventional stance.
That's not to say I disagree with any of it either.
By "virtually trapped"
I meant that a million year of instinctual behaviour would see these fish attempt to get as far upstream and away from the salt as possible. In this case as close to the dam wall as the food chain permits.
Gary and the "Team" I have never expressed anything but the greatest admiration for the effort, commitment and passion for waterways in the whole of Queensland. (bordering on fanaticism, in a good way) I will be the first to announce to anyone that cares about such things that you and the team are at the forefront of caring for and doing what needs to be done for the good of freshwater fishing. I was very surprised that the numbers were not higher despite the weather because of how much fun and value for money this event has been.
No one believes that you should lose money or waste time on this or any other event. If there were no prizes, no sponsorship, just a barebones get together the event would prove just as popular. (possibly more so for some) The lure (no pun intended, well mebbe a little one) of likeminded folk getting together for a few days would probly still fill the camp site.
I do honestly believe that Wivenhoe would have been "restocked" close to former levels by Somerset. I don't believe the fishing in either dam will be much changed once things settle down. Mostly I believe that just for a while that the fishing will be just as challenging, but in a different way to how it has been in the past. Normally I would not enjoy "fishing" above a school of fish either. I'd rather chase the bloody minded ones that don't conform.
Cheers John.
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What did you like?
The event is well organised with good sponsor supporting it.
The social side and getting too other yakkers is one of the main aspect everyone comes and talks about.
What didn't you like?
The weather two year running it given us hell.
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
Again lot's to be said about this but it everyone was given the chance, maybe if the another access to the hole at Shines Rd was open allowing the not so healthy and larger yak in there may have been less against it. But personally I feel we should only use the river a back up if the dam is unsafe or do it as separate event but it will become to big of expense to have two events year.
Comments on the venue?
The venue was excellent considering the floods early in the year,
Timing & duration of the event?
No problems at all with this.
Cost?
This is around the normal price of most tournament. As said you have to consider all the other cost if make too high it might stop some people
Safety/risk management?
No problems at all.
Marquee - did it help?
Yes it made a general area for all too gather a good inclusion.
Do we need a safety boat?
Yes if where fishing the dam only, the only thing need is that Dale has another person with him to assist if required for towing or something goes wrong.
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
It was great too a local service club gaining from the weekend.
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Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
Again lot's to be said about this but it everyone was given the chance, maybe if the another access to the hole at Shines Rd was open allowing the not so healthy and larger yak in there may have been less against it. But personally I feel we should only use the river a back up if the dam is unsafe or do it as separate event but it will become to big of expense to have two events year.
If SEQwater ever reopens the Spillway common , that would be the easy launch option. It used to have a nice "road" down to the river , but its not there anymore . Hopefully they can find the funds for the major works that are needed to restore that area .
Cheers,
Dave.
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If SEQwater ever reopens the Spillway common , that would be the easy launch option. It used to have a nice "road" down to the river , but its not there anymore . Hopefully they can find the funds for the major works that are needed to restore that area .
Cheers,
Dave.
The road is still there, it's just got a dirty great locked gate on it.
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What did you like?
Being a first timer - Terrific meeting up with old buddies & making new ones - been 'chatting' with Dodge for about 4 years & finally we meet 'face to face'! The social side of the event is great - gathering at the various tent sites for the evening reverie was fun. Terrific support by the Sponsors - many thanks!
What didn't you like?
I was disappointed that there weren't prizes this time for the Dam caught fish, as they really were much harder to catch than were the river fish. Dougout caught a beautie on the Thurs afternoon (even tho prior to the event, so proved there were some out there), and 3 on the Sunday - even tho he missed the cutoff, having slept thru the morning meeting & assumed it was a later finish (2pm again) like day 1. It would just have been a matter of marking D or R on the 'catch sheet'
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
Disappointed when it came in as I believed the event was for the benefit of the Dam - the river has already benefitted by the many MORE fish than normal that went over the wall. There have been plenty who have fished the dam for the 4 events & never caught a bass yet & don't have the flood to blame! It must just be a fairly difficult place to fish at the best of times - but is still a level playing field for all
Comments on the venue?
Excellent venue. Very reasonable Camping prices, which helps to offset the cost of 'out of towners' (like me) getting up there (with an extra night's accomodation to break the trip, both coming & going)
Timing & duration of the event?
Great! The weather was just plain bad luck. On Monday morning, there was stuff all wind & the water was pretty well glassed over! >:(
Cost?
Cheap - tho appreciated! Once again, allows the out of towners to get up there more readily due to keeping the overall trip costs down
Safety/risk management?
In the dam, great. Not sure there was any on the River? Other than the 'trip notes' indicating where you would be on the day, the river people were on their own & I bet a few of them fished areas not written on their trip notes!
Marquee - did it help?
Great - I dropped my sunnies on Sun morning, so was more sunburnt than normal - also terrific in case of inclement weather, such as Fri. Good to get out of the sun after a long day in it!
Do we need a safety boat?
Essential for the Dam - for reasons others have stated - maybe make the paddler take a ride in the boat next time, instead of leaving them in the canoe - the roll over may not have happened (tho all batteries in yaks DO need to be secured & not 'floating')
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
I took advantage of the Lion's excellent cooking on Fri & Sat nights, even tho I had brought enough food for all meals! That was terrific!
I'm looking for your constructive comments / ideas for future event.....
Some ideas already suggested by others (may not be workable from our end but worth throwing up for discussion)
* Have 2 different divisions in same event & split the prizes - River Vs Lake
Definitely if there are 2 venues - not fair otherwise as there are obviously more fish likely to be caught in the river & the locals are perceived to have a big advantage
* Lake only as in the past, but keep the river as a backup in case of bad weather & lake gets closed again due to wind
Some yaks might not be able to fish the rivers so therefore unable to fish - Maybe have a single prize for biggest fish (2 main species awarded) & lucky dip for catfish (or other bycatch) and lucky dip for most of the other prizes, to spread the vibe amongst all attendees.
* No access to Billies Bay / Hayes Landing unless everyone can have access
Agreed
* Have 2 events a week apart (one for river, one for lake) [I can't see this being workable with our resources - fitz]
I suggested this because there are quite a few of KFDUers who attended the Forster Fishing Carnival this year, which straddles the ABT weekend & the next weekend prize giving for the FFC. They are keen to do so again. As soon as the dates are known, those who still work try to arrange for the 5 weekdays off, to enable them to have up to 9 days at the venue. Retirees are luckier! It also allows those who have travelled the furthest to stay the longer & justify the long drive up & back. Locals (or those who live close enough) would turn up on both weekends, as many did with this year's event. The 5 days between both weekends would enable those who haven't fished the river before, to give it a go prior to the next weekend's event & not be disadvantaged for never having fished the river before. Those fishing the weekdays will not be covered by insurance as it is not a part of the event, only the weekends - same costs whether 1 week apart or 6 months apart. People who normally travel & camp & fish already do so at their own risk every other time, so no real difference this time. No double up on advertising or paperwork, really, just another lot of insurance (same as 6 month apart) & maybe the big tarp staying up for the whole week rather than taking it down & putting it up again?
* Have 2 events 6 months apart (lake in spring, river in summer) [been an idea of mine for a while but a double up on advertising / paperwork, insurance etc]
So long as it isn't during school holidays - the river would most likely be full of extra day trippers & traffic in general getting up & back worse
* Le Mans style start from Logans Inlet only. No driving elsewhere
There are only a few who have sails, so no real issue - Le Mans start makes it a level playing field for all - if worried about those with sails, make one - pretty sure there is a 'how to' on KFDU somewhere
http://www.kfdu.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15853&hilit=sail (http://www.kfdu.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15853&hilit=sail)
* Keep the river as part of the event same as this year, good for people who don't have kayaks suitable to the open water (lake)
If the lake isn't rough, pretty well any sized yak can fish it - it is up to the individual how far they go. I'm in a small yak & on Sunday, got over to the 'wall' opposite the camp OK, tho must admit it took longer getting back with the rougher water - but didn't feel threatened at all. Dougout caught a 53cm fish 100m out from the camp ground, after paddling 12km, as he returned to base.
* Have more displays to make a full on expo [possible to do, but could affect current long term sponsors]
The lures catch more people than they do fish - always got a spare dollar for a few more! ;) Don't want to threaten the existing Sponsors tho!
* Have an early birds dinner in the Thursday night at local pub/restaurant [easily done -fitz]
Great idea!! I'm in!
* Allow electric powered boats / tinnies [not happening at this event, go to ABT - fitz]
Absolutely not
NEW SUGGESTION:
Maybe have a lucky dip for those who only catch catfish!! seems there could be more of them caught than the dam bass (so to speak!) "Hanging'' Photo OK, to prevent a spiking ....... BTW, are we supposed to dispose of the catties, or just let them go?
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* Would you come again? If not, why?
Definitely coming back - looks like Keith's Tri World Champs are in Oct '12 :)
* If you haven't attended, what would encourage you to come?
I'll be encouraging newbies to attend! Word of mouth - viral marketing!
Many thanks Fitzy for all the hard work & efforts over the previous months to get the Convention together again - there is a lot of work that goes on in the background that most wouldn't know about. We really appreciate you putting the Convention on & can't wait for next year already!
Cheers
Roberta
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I did go to some lengths to explain that I was "playing the Devil's Advocate" in my post. It's not a frequently used term:
That's not to say I disagree with any of it either.
Cheers John.
You did say that, and it was duly noted John. And I replied to some of those comments.
So instead of playing devils advocate (which is most commonly used to portray one extreme possible outcome) or repeating other peoples words, please tell me what "you" think mate, or were you doing that in your original reply?
Other folks can speak up for themselves and we won't end up with exagerations or chinese whispers.
Everyone.
I don't care if feedback it's good or bad, not looking for big pat on the back, rather am looking for best possible scenario from everyone involved so don't be shy. We've got some pretty clever folks attending, between everyone I recon we should be able to come up with the best format for the most people. So if you think something isn't the best or could be done differently, please offer up your ideas on how to do it better please folks. :youbeauty
Thanks for all replies so far. :Clap)
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If SEQwater ever reopens the Spillway common , that would be the easy launch option. It used to have a nice "road" down to the river , but its not there anymore . Hopefully they can find the funds for the major works that are needed to restore that area .
Cheers,
Dave.
Agree, not sure if, and/or when this will happen.
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What did you like?
The event is well organised with good sponsor supporting it.
The social side and getting too other yakkers is one of the main aspect everyone comes and talks about.
What didn't you like?
The weather two year running it given us hell.
Thoughts on the inclusion of the river in 2011?
Again lot's to be said about this but it everyone was given the chance, maybe if the another access to the hole at Shines Rd was open allowing the not so healthy and larger yak in there may have been less against it. But personally I feel we should only use the river a back up if the dam is unsafe or do it as separate event but it will become to big of expense to have two events year.
Comments on the venue?
The venue was excellent considering the floods early in the year,
Timing & duration of the event?
No problems at all with this.
Cost?
This is around the normal price of most tournament. As said you have to consider all the other cost if make too high it might stop some people
Safety/risk management?
No problems at all.
Marquee - did it help?
Yes it made a general area for all too gather a good inclusion.
Do we need a safety boat?
Yes if where fishing the dam only, the only thing need is that Dale has another person with him to assist if required for towing or something goes wrong.
BBQs / catering? What would you prefer to see?
It was great too a local service club gaining from the weekend.
Thanks Ray.
BTW - You mentioned better access to the Junction Hole..... you can launch from Harpeng Road . It's alot easier than Shines Rd. Can also launch on either side of o'Rielly's Weir. Ot put in at Lowood & do a short portage around the log jam to the Junction Hole.
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Ok in my own words and in my own opinion. Fishing in a barrel. That was how I perceived fishing the river. Other years the barrel has been schools of fish, once they have been found. The usual barrel wasn't available this year. If I had attended for twenty years I would never have sat with 20 other people around a school of fish. Fish school up in Wivenhoe in winter. NOT all of them. The muddy water that was Wivenhoe still had to go through the washing machine gates of the dam. The river was just as muddy, it has to be if Wivenhoe is. I figure if conditions are tough then nut it out and formulate a plan of action. I don't agree with changing something that's not busted. There were fish there. Not a lot perhaps. Doug nutted it out, Couldn't tell the time though ;D I might have fluked one but did so by following a plan. Would have been two if I had checked my new lure didn't have a hook protector on it.
::) Hey there are fish in there to be caught. Just because it might be harder, or different to other times is not a valid reason to take an easy option.
cheer John.
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The wife and myself did not attend this year but had been to all previous conventions. Strictly a freshwater beginner did not restrict us going. I look at the convention as a 2 sided event. There is the fishing competition for those that are serious about their fishing...and the social aspect which included everyone.
The location is superb and the organisation excellent.
River and lake fishing ..I would say that either would be okay for the serious fishos. In the past people have driven to other access points on the dam so not much difference if going elsewhere. The only problem I could envisage with the river..and hopefully it would never happen ..is if an injury occurred. Locating and assisting the person could be difficult.
Displays..in the past these have been very good and informatrive.
Food..the evening barbies have always made life easier...and if someone makes a buck for their organisation even better.
Prizes etc...Never been into fishing for anything other than the fun of it since I left the fishing club I was in ..and that was about 30 years back. But, once again, I only speak for me ...others may be interested and enticed by the array of prizes.
Cost...cheap for a fishing comp as well conducted as this one,
Would I change anything...nope.
Would i attend again..definitely.
Did not attend this year as we have sold the yak and thought someone that was fishing could use the camping spot we had booked so we cancelled it.
I would even attend again if not fishing..just a top weekend away with a great bunch of people and great surrounds.
well done Gary once again .
I would make one suggestion...a clinic for the freshwater beginners perhaps...what gear, lures, finding fish etc etc etc. Not everyone is an expert on this type of fishing and many could do with some informative assistance.
One day I may even catch a bass and a barra somewhere.
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Ok in my own words and in my own opinion. Fishing in a barrel. That was how I perceived fishing the river. Other years the barrel has been schools of fish, once they have been found. The usual barrel wasn't available this year. If I had attended for twenty years I would never have sat with 20 other people around a school of fish. Fish school up in Wivenhoe in winter. NOT all of them. The muddy water that was Wivenhoe still had to go through the washing machine gates of the dam. The river was just as muddy, it has to be if Wivenhoe is. I figure if conditions are tough then nut it out and formulate a plan of action. I don't agree with changing something that's not busted. There were fish there. Not a lot perhaps. Doug nutted it out, Couldn't tell the time though ;D I might have fluked one but did so by following a plan. Would have been two if I had checked my new lure didn't have a hook protector on it.
::) Hey there are fish in there to be caught. Just because it might be harder, or different to other times is not a valid reason to take an easy option.
cheer John.
I agree there are still fish in the lake, I believe there are way less than before & until some surveys are done we won't know. There were 3 caugt in the lake all up, possibly a reflection on the angler/hours put in on the lake for the weekend which was almost zero on saturday due to the closure of the lake but still encouraging to see some brave the waters on sunday to give it a go.
Understand the "if it aint broke" sentiment.
Thanks John. :thanks
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I couldn't make this year either, but a couple of comments
1. Dont really care that much about the rules/ where your allowed to fish etc etc. Its a social event for me on water I never fish - so my chances of being in the prizes depends on the raffles ;). As long as I can get my ol dunga yak, and Ray can get his yak and electric on the water I dont care. Leave the concerns about winning sheepstations to others.
2. Thing that annoys me? all those in the know booking out the camp site months before the event is even officially launched! Having said that and being an old fart these days, the ability to camp on the next point away from the noisy party brigade has in the passed turned out to be an unforeseen bonus! I'll probably do it deliberately next time. Gotta keep my distance from Novice by the sound of it!
3. September is a risky time of year for the event from a weather point of view, as we have seen the last two years it can blow pretty hard this time of year. However I wouldn't want to be there in mid summer or mid winter either. I would not have been able to fish if I had gone this year, steep river bank launches are not an option for my dodgy knees. I was pretty worried early on last year, even pulled off the water for a couple of hours in the morning on the Saturday.
4. Rescue Boat, good idea, as long as it doesn't spend the day rooster tailing around the dam, and is only used for emergencies, no idea what you used this year, but it was a skeeter last year. Perhaps a boat that is more suitable for a rescue, something that could fit a half dozen in it safely wrapped in blankets etc if something tragic did occur.
5. If the sheepstation brigade truly want to tighten rules etc, thats fine but how about a social division, where the social fisho's can do what they like, only eligible for raffled prizes. That way someone could bait fish, someone could use 6 rods, heck someone could even fillet something for dinner IE just let the social division fish legally and have a good time.
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The annual wivenhoe Convention after going there has its own magic as it has been run, and with little modification needed to keep well supported and is already in my 2012 planning, with similar reactions seen in this reply on AKFF by a first timer Gazz who clocked up a few kms to attend ........ his reply says it all.....
"It was my first trip to Wivenhoe and on a round trip of 2600km I may or may not met some of you. I just want to say it was a tremendously run event and one of the best weekends of my life. Look forward to coming up again next year. Gaz"
In regard to future options I would say do not fiddle with the existing format to much at all for the future Fitzy
The comp hours are OK as they stand, giving enough time for the enthusiasts as was seen last weekend, and in normal conditions more than adequate for the social butterflies like me who has a fish for a few hours only, and enjoys catching up with the once a year mate yarns again.
Marquee was an excellent move, as was the evening tucker setup this year but doubt the ice cream bloke had a big session, also think the safety boat is important.
Re the river aspect ..... and at the outset declare myself to be a lake only starter at any time it being so unique a venue to fish, despite me having a smaller river kayak at home as well as the Swing, and know three GC blokes who gave the event a miss this year due to the river being involved, as they regard the event purely as Wivenhoe Dam.
Can appreciate the reasons for including the river this year, but heard plenty of level playing field comments on the weekend.
If the river is to be included in the future, have lake and river divisions separate from a comp perspective for major prizes, and with all entrants in for lucky dips as at present.
Fitzy re your great love for the district "Another part was to showcase the area, the facilities and our great waterways." while understood, perhaps is not shared to the same degree as us outsiders who just come enjoy the lake and the company we meet there each year.
And your input is always appreciated by the conventioneers mate "Noting that I personally don't make a cent out of it if the event is successful, I certainly could if I wanted to do that, but all profits have always gone to the fish restocking. (bet no other kayak event of a similar scale can say the same)." At any time you cop out of pocket expenses that are not covered let all your mates know on the forum and reckon 24 hours would see that rectified
Finally Dave has my favourite quote that reflects the convention in a nutshell "Overall, the event the way it is/has been , has a great laidback feel to it . The chance for people to come and camp and go for a fish amongst other like minded fishos has a certain appeal to it ( almost like a drinking club with a kayak problem ) ."
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I couldn't make this year either, but a couple of comments
5. If the sheepstation brigade truly want to tighten rules etc, thats fine but how about a social division, where the social fisho's can do what they like, only eligible for raffled prizes. That way someone could bait fish, someone could use 6 rods, heck someone could even fillet something for dinner IE just let the social division fish legally and have a good time.
Thanks for the reply Binder. Have taken your whole reply on board, but can I throw this one point out there for specific comment from everyone?
How many others would like to take a bass or golden perch for a feed during the event? If there's enough support we could look at something where a fin was clipped prior to the photo so we know it was taken & possibly mark it on the shore card as "taken".
I'm easy going about it....
Cheers,
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I'm not going to dive into the debate over fishing in the river other than if it was a full on comp then it would have not been a good idea. But as well as the fishing, I went for the socializing and to meet the people behind the names on KDFU, the fishing was a bonus. The only possible solution would have been to divide the results for River caught and Dam caught fish. Which I suppose would have involved people being honest about their captures, which was stated if you really wanted to cheat there were many ways. It was a roaring success I thought either way as I thoroughly enjoyed myself, as did many others. Got to meet some great new people and made some new friends which I believe is what fishing is all about. Good on you Garry and all the others who put in the effort to make it a great weekend. See you all next year. :thanks
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I won't add to the above comments except that it was a great event and well organised and I will be back next year.
venue, good
Timing, good
Cost,good
Safety, good
Boat, good
BBQ, good
I personally didn't want to fish the river for this event ( but would love the opportunity on different occasion ). I came to fish the dam and for the social get together, I really didn't fancy driving here, there or anywhere. I do like to fish though, just a shame the weather didn't play fair.
One criticism :
For those that slept in on the first morning ( yes me, I blame the wind for keeping me awake ). I missed the briefing AND the warnings. Perhaps a black board with the important points listed.
Yes to Charletons bringing more gear. I was keen to purchase all sorts of stuff but with mainly bass lures there I held back.Great to view all the new yaks there as well.
Some ideas :
A kids comp. with perhaps a prize to all that caught something.
More entertainment in the main arena, comps, games to bring more people together. Oh I dunno? like a darts at water balloons with prize tags in them or a paddle race in the inlet in categories of course. Yes, i am still a big kid.
An info session on how to catch bass held in the marquee.
A big shame about the music, was acoustic banned also ?
Would prefer to see biggest Bass OR Yellowbelly not one of each being a requirement.
Perhaps more than one safety boat on standby ?
Next year perhaps list your intent to fish river or dam or both on the entry so resources can be better allocated in advance.
Yes, a dam caught bass on the dinner plate sounds good to me too, gotta try one at least.
Cheers,
Pam
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I won't add to the above comments except that it was a great event and well organised and I will be back next year.
venue, good
Timing, good
Cost,good
Safety, good
Boat, good
BBQ, good
I personally didn't want to fish the river for this event ( but would love the opportunity on different occasion ). I came to fish the dam and for the social get together, I really didn't fancy driving here, there or anywhere. I do like to fish though, just a shame the weather didn't play fair.
One criticism :
For those that slept in on the first morning ( yes me, I blame the wind for keeping me awake ). I missed the briefing AND the warnings. Perhaps a black board with the important points listed.
Yes to Charletons bringing more gear. I was keen to purchase all sorts of stuff but with mainly bass lures there I held back.Great to view all the new yaks there as well.
Some ideas :
A kids comp. with perhaps a prize to all that caught something.
More entertainment in the main arena, comps, games to bring more people together. Oh I dunno? like a darts at water balloons with prize tags in them or a paddle race in the inlet in categories of course. Yes, i am still a big kid.
An info session on how to catch bass held in the marquee.
A big shame about the music, was acoustic banned also ?
Would prefer to see biggest Bass OR Yellowbelly not one of each being a requirement.
Perhaps more than one safety boat on standby ?
Next year perhaps list your intent to fish river or dam or both on the entry so resources can be better allocated in advance.
Yes, a dam caught bass on the dinner plate sounds good to me too, gotta try one at least.
Cheers,
Pam
G'Day Pam,
Blackboard with weather report already on the list for next year, I realised that afterwards that it would be beneficial. :tick
Safety boat. Unfortunately due to the damage to Dale's boat this year, this particular rig won't be an available in the future, we cannot ask him to provide the boat and expect him to wear the damage to the gel coat & motor that was incurred with getting that canoe back from out near Pelican Island. So we will need to come up with a suitable alternative boat or if anyone is in trouble they may need to call in SES for assistance.
Why was he out there when the lake was shut? Either:
A- he wasn't at morning briefing, or
B- he was there & didn't listen, or
C- he was there & chose to ignore it.
Either way he was out past the mouth of the bay & we need to learn from that. We trialed giving out the cards the night before, but to ensure everyone hears the briefing/weather report we will revert back to handing out cards in the morning + put weather report on a blackboard. No briefing = no competitor card = no points for the day.
Kids section. A very tricky one..... I was once a representative junior sports coach, then in came certification, then blue card & all of a sudden I have to pay fees & personal insurance for the privelege of volunteering my time,,,, so I simply quit coaching kids & never will again. The kids loss.
The litigious paranoid types in society make me dread including anything to do with kids in any event, that's why we haven't had a kids section to date, but I'm all for encouraging kids to get into our sport. Then there's the extra safety concerns if kids are cut loose on the lake without their parents being with them. As it is, kids may enter as adults & I ask all parents to ensure they stay with them. I've had parents call in the past & ask if they can send little Johnny to the lake for the day & pick them up that night....... the answer is NO WAY!!!! Be buggered if I'd be letting one of my kids out on a huge lake without me hovering VERY close behind.
A shame really, but unless someone else wants to take over running the event, I can't see a kids section happening. Noting that I will have my kids out there with me next year for the weekend.
Entertainment I tried to get the Barefoot Fisherman (Dave Hodge) up this year & offered him $500 to come, but it wasn't enough for him to drive up from NSW again, or he just didn't want to. I didn't want to pour all the profits into someone's pocket so drew the line there. I did try tho.....
Music. SEQWater by-laws prevent any amplified sound (eg PA system etc) at these camp grounds. However I will include it in the application (so its in writting) next year & see what they come back with. There's no reason the accoustic guitar's couldn't have come out again, but one of the previous offenders (Yakfly) couldn't make it this year & I forgot to bring mine or I would have pulled it out.
Games. The quick trivia comp on saturday night was just to add a bit of fun. Will look at improving this.
Friday Seminar. Will see who else I can muster to give some tips next year. Any specific topics anyone would prefer covered? eg fish finder use, bass techniques, paddle techniques, fly fishing, casting techniques etc.
Have previously payed a qualified instructor to be on site each year & this was VERY much under utilised, so i dropped it & rolled the $ into other things like the marquee. I've always offered a slot to Canoeing Qld to come and talk or be on site, but they don't seem interested quite frankly out side of giving some phone numbers of 3rd party instructors. I won't offer any longer. A shame that a peak body doesn't recognise that probably the biggest growth area of kayaking is in fishing ATM & doesn't seem interested to engage. :walkplank
I was encouraged to see another peak body FFSAQ take up the offer to attend & engage with those attending.
Charltons Are a great supporter throughout the year. I don't know a dollar figure, but they gave a stack of gear, as did our other sponsors. The give aways this year were great.
Lake / River "IF" the river is included in the future, I would be confident that the two will be separate divisions & require this to be nominated on the entry form. Also think we need a non-combatant entrant for those who don't intend to paddle or fish, but are there just socially and for the draws. This might save on insurance costs...... your thoughts?
Will give your other comments due consideration. :tick
Thanks to you (and everyone) for taking the time to respond / comment. :youbeauty
fitzy..
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The wife and myself did not attend this year but had been to all previous conventions. Strictly a freshwater beginner did not restrict us going. I look at the convention as a 2 sided event. There is the fishing competition for those that are serious about their fishing...and the social aspect which included everyone.
The location is superb and the organisation excellent.
River and lake fishing ..I would say that either would be okay for the serious fishos. In the past people have driven to other access points on the dam so not much difference if going elsewhere. The only problem I could envisage with the river..and hopefully it would never happen ..is if an injury occurred. Locating and assisting the person could be difficult.
Displays..in the past these have been very good and informatrive.
Food..the evening barbies have always made life easier...and if someone makes a buck for their organisation even better.
Prizes etc...Never been into fishing for anything other than the fun of it since I left the fishing club I was in ..and that was about 30 years back. But, once again, I only speak for me ...others may be interested and enticed by the array of prizes.
Cost...cheap for a fishing comp as well conducted as this one,
Would I change anything...nope.
Would i attend again..definitely.
Did not attend this year as we have sold the yak and thought someone that was fishing could use the camping spot we had booked so we cancelled it.
I would even attend again if not fishing..just a top weekend away with a great bunch of people and great surrounds.
well done Gary once again .
I would make one suggestion...a clinic for the freshwater beginners perhaps...what gear, lures, finding fish etc etc etc. Not everyone is an expert on this type of fishing and many could do with some informative assistance.
One day I may even catch a bass and a barra somewhere.
G'Day Greg,
Comments taken on board, thanks for taking the time to comment.
Will shoot for a more comprehensive Friday night seminar next year.
We missed you both this year, are you coming in 2012?
Cheers,
fitz..
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I'm not going to dive into the debate over fishing in the river other than if it was a full on comp then it would have not been a good idea. But as well as the fishing, I went for the socializing and to meet the people behind the names on KDFU, the fishing was a bonus. The only possible solution would have been to divide the results for River caught and Dam caught fish. Which I suppose would have involved people being honest about their captures, which was stated if you really wanted to cheat there were many ways. It was a roaring success I thought either way as I thoroughly enjoyed myself, as did many others. Got to meet some great new people and made some new friends which I believe is what fishing is all about. Good on you Garry and all the others who put in the effort to make it a great weekend. See you all next year. :thanks
Good on you for commenting Pills and thank for coming. :thanks
Comments taken on board mate, we want to get it as good as possible for the most who attend.
Hoping to improve things each year & to see you back again next year.
Cheers,
Fitz..
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will revert back to handing out cards in the morning + put weather report on a blackboard. No briefing = no competitor card = no points for the day.
Will see who else I can muster to give some tips next year.......... bass techniques,............ casting techniques etc.
Also think we need a non-combatant entrant for those who don't intend to paddle or fish, but are there just socially and for the draws. This might save on insurance costs...... your thoughts?
1...Fitzy can see the morning hand out of comp cards as being the way to resume as before.
2...Always keen to take the opportunity to hear from any gurus re fishing techniques, and also good to learn any tips/hints from proficient casters attending the convention.
3...Think many of the non paddlers this year were mainly influenced by the weather conditions on the lake, and additionally having no great desire to load and drive to the river ..... for myself it is the first time I have not gone on the water to fish from Capt Logan.
And personally am happy just to social fish and be called a non-combatant if it helps costs, but quite willing to continue to pay the normal entry listed as a donation seeing it benefits fish stocking.