Fish Photography and other rants.

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The search function appears to be disabled and I can not find a link to the site rules.
Does the site have a policy of only showing photographs where the fish is fully supported or is it just because most contributers are fully aware of the damage that can be done by not supporting a fish correctly whilst out of the water.
Another thing that gets my dander up is fishing comp photos where the angler always appears to pose triumphantly holding up 2 fish by the mouth with the fish dangling. Wonder how many of these fish actually survive?
Whilst I am having a little rant how is it allowed when a species has an in possession limit of 2 fish and an angler already has 2 fish in the live well he is allowed to upgrade. As soon as he removes another fish from the water he is deemed to be "in possession" and the fish must be returned immediately "fisheries definition of immediate is without delay"
Is it really necessary for fish to be kept for a weigh in why not have all comps photo and release only.
 Cheers
Ray

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There are no rules Regarding fish photos here Ray.  Most members here are keen to look after their fish.  Maybe you should post this on the web sites where you see the photos which offend you.  There is not really any point ranting at the converted.

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I find it  interesting that no one pays any attention to ANSA's rules in regards to fishing comps. Upgrades NOT allowed! They are supposed to be the peak body in regards to comps aren't they? 

Also interesting how they used to run bass comps in NSW before Dams were exempted from the only one over size rule. Just about every comp winner should have been prosecuted for being in possession of more than one oversize fish (Still the case for non impoundment comps)   

Putting ones cynical hat on,
Catch and release comps with live weigh ins - the fish only have to swim away, not survive.....
Many comps state minimum capacity live wells etc, but generally dont have a rule about how much water you actually have to have in the live well.......



I must admit still much better than dead weigh in comps.
The local fishing club still has half the competitors wandering around trying to give fish away after the weigh in.
Many go out and catch more fish on day two of the comp when they have their possession limits in their eskies back at the club grounds.
Still common to see oversize Flatties and other species undersize presented at weigh in for no penalty except, "cant weigh that one in mate" so it goes back in the esky.

Catch, photo and release is the way of the future, but even then people are entering significantly oversize fish for no penalty, winning the comps!

[Member]

I find it  interesting that no one pays any attention to ANSA's rules in regards to fishing comps. Upgrades NOT allowed! They are supposed to be the peak body in regards to comps aren't they? 

Absolutely not. ANSA is a fishing club, or a body of affiliated fishing clubs & represents its members only. So, why would anyone pay any attention to ansa's rules unless fishing in one of their club trips?

Peak body? 

[Member]

The search function appears to be disabled and I can not find a link to the site rules.
Does the site have a policy of only showing photographs where the fish is fully supported or is it just because most contributers are fully aware of the damage that can be done by not supporting a fish correctly whilst out of the water.
 Cheers
Ray

The search function will automatically be disabled when the server is under a certain load & turn itself back on when the load is reduced.

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For every ABT comp run, the organisers donate $5.00 per entrant to the Stocking Group of that lake.  Well, they do in Queensland anyway.  $5.00 buys about 20 Fingerlings, so even if every entrant kills two Bass the fishery is still better off for them being there.  Many people lose sight of the fact that Stocked Impoundments are a put and take fishery.

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ANSA, a peak body?  Sorry, I cannot agree.

[Member]

My beef is about the photos published giving the impression that it is quite ok to hold the fish suspended by the mouth.
 Why not run a photo and release comp .
Then the stocking groups still benefit and fish not harmed and the wrong impression  be given to people not in the know.
At least ask the winners to select their largest fish and then only take a photo of the winner holding the fish correctly.
Maybe it is time that these comp owners/runners left the dark ages and became more progressive and paid attention to what Ansa and others are doing.
Surely it is better to move with the times and be proactive and bring about change from within than have things forced on us by the likes of green groups who by the way are running a petition to ban stainless hooks in freshwater.
Cheers
Ray
 

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Lording ANSA on this subject is way off the mark.  Since when is chasing big fish on 2lb line helping their survival?  As I said, there is no point ranting here, how many competition gurus do you see posting here?  Your best bet would be to take your fight to them, rather than shadow box here.

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For every ABT comp run, the organisers donate $5.00 per entrant to the Stocking Group of that lake.  Well, they do in Queensland anyway.  $5.00 buys about 20 Fingerlings, so even if every entrant kills two Bass the fishery is still better off for them being there.  Many people lose sight of the fact that Stocked Impoundments are a put and take fishery.

Put and take fishery they may be but i think the point is more to the general rules that apply to everyone.

Someone tried telling me they are exempt from the normal rules because they where a nephew of the queens brothers aunty twice removed,
Didnt go down well with me and was told where to go before i called fisherys.

Back to the point

It does really grind my goat when " Tourny " competitors hang bass up by their bottom lip flaring their head in ways that just stress the fish to no end.
No matter what the arguement is that THAT DOES NOT GIVE THE RIGHT IMPRESSION! for others to look up to if you will or follow by example.

Put and take fisheries are great but if  everyone starts catching and releasing in a damaging way to the fish then it will become a catch and kill fishery.


Rebuttal please

Steve

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Lording ANSA on this subject is way off the mark.  Since when is chasing big fish on 2lb line helping their survival?  As I said, there is no point ranting here, how many competition gurus do you see posting here?  Your best bet would be to take your fight to them, rather than shadow box here.

Maybe a suggestion as to what could be done may come of this conversation Basser if anything.

But no no "Big wigs" may ever read this

[Member]

Put and take fisheries are great but if  everyone starts catching and releasing in a damaging way to the fish then it will become a catch and kill fishery.


Rebuttal please

Steve

A put and take fishery is a catch and kill fishery.  That is why stocking groups buy so many fingerlings, so people can catch a feed of fish.  The SIP scheme doesn't exist purely for the competition or catch and release anglers. 

[Member]

Agree totally but to put it more bluntly catch and kill for a feed or catch and just kill

Waste not want not and all... Very much a here nor there topic

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I don't fish comps, it buggers the whole reason I go fishing. All you ever hear about them is a lot of wingeing about how they are run and how ordinary the prizes are. The "grip and grin" shot with unsupported fish is a throwback to the US Bass circus, and we are a long way from that magnitude. There are two things that can be done with this sort of thing; one is to lobby the comp organisers (good luck there) two is to ignore them and hope they'll go away. It's all about overblown egos and overdressed blokes. The comp organisers are there to make a dollar, and that's that. But I am a bit of a cynic...
JD

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Must admit the the double yank wank grip pics annoy me too Ray.