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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: elops on December 14, 2011, 04:04:33 PM
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Is it legal to tether fish ? had a bit of a search and could not find anything. Only do this to Yellas and Silvers in SEQ streams when in the yak or on foot.
Had some misguided catch and release nazis have a go at me for tethering some the other day.
cheers
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I would think that it would really depend if you were over the in possession limit.
I have seen people have over the bag limit tethered beside their boat as they reckon that releasing fish puts down the school.
Be a good issue to raise with fisheries and see if they will give an answer in writing.
You could also mention the practice of upgrading via live well tanks.
Cheers
Ray
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Why would it be illegal unless as said, you were over the limit.
having said that, yellas, if you read the fishing rules strictly, can not be returned to the water in SEQ as they are not native, so be hard for them to do you for being over the limit anyway.
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That is my interpretation of the rules, outside of Stocked impoundments they are non indiginous natives :Hunting)
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OK, I'll bite - why is it every time I read the words catch and release, it is followed by the word nazi?
Not every person who C&R's is a fanatical brown shirt who goose steps to the green drum beat.
Re tethering, IMO if you are going to eat the fish, dong it on the head, chill it, and enjoy, if you are going to release the fish, then release it
edit: is it legal, good question, time to google
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I thought it is totally illegal to tether fish. I'll do some research myself.
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Misguided catch and release nazis was the term. Regulars on this stretch of the river, which currently has too many Bass but not many yellas left.
Tether them as I have no where to keep them. Collect and euthenise them as I leave and they are given to people who eat them.
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A fish shouldnt be killed simply because it was caught.
How does teathering a fish compare to using a livewell net in the water? I still see anglers using these occasionally.
Steve
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A fish shouldnt be killed simply because it was caught.
How does teathering a fish compare to using a livewell net in the water? I still see anglers using these occasionally.
Steve
I see them (nets) being used all the time, same as tethering, good way to keep fish fresh if you dont have ice. I've got a net I carry in the boat all the time. Although generally I do have ice when I am looking for a feed.
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I used to tether fish quite awhile back when I was taking a couple home to eat, I have been guilty also of upgrading fish early on, but these days very seldom take fish home. I think the only fair way to tether fish is if you are intending to take fish home the onus is on you to take some ice with you and when you pick a fish to take cut its throat right away to bleed it, then when bled put it on ice. This eliminates stressing fish on tethers for hours and cuts out upgrading and throwing stressed fish back in the water.
Dino
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OK, I'll bite - why is it every time I read the words catch and release, it is followed by the word nazi?
Not every person who C&R's is a fanatical brown shirt who goose steps to the green drum beat.
Re tethering, IMO if you are going to eat the fish, dong it on the head, chill it, and enjoy, if you are going to release the fish, then release it
edit: is it legal, good question, time to google
Exactly Brian,
Unfortunately there are a group of people who have a derogatory term for everyone except themselves. My question is, why would you want to tether a Golden Perch or Silver Perch. If you want to kill it to eat it, then kill it humanely and keep it, if you want to release it, release it straight away. Most people who tether do so for reasons of circumventing fisheries rules. (I want to keep this one, but I might get a bigger one later, or I've already got my bag limit, but I don't want to waste this fish.)
There is really no plausible reason to tether a fish and leave it to slowly die tied to a tree, it doesn't help the eating qualities at all. I've seen a few big dead cod that were tethered and forgotten or lost over the years.
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Steve I'm guessing you're in the kayak & have nowhere to keep the fish fresh but want to take home a feed....but nowhere to store it.
I did the same as a young fella in the local creek...would tie up a catfish with a float on him & let him swim again then grab it when going home later.
IMHO if you've tied it up then it's in your possession.
Apparently there's some meat workers up around the top of Somerset who are tethering up bass because they're only allowed to have 2 in posession, then whipping home to put 2 in the freezer & going back to grab the others.....they need be warned...the authorities have been tipped off to the little scam.
I wonder what happens if someone is busted of an offence while the offender is here on a 456 work visa? Fine, jail or an escort to the airport?
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Fitzy if i want to take a feed of fish home its usually only 1 fish if that and i have plenty of room on the back of my scrambler 11 for a small esky and ice :youbeauty I was only telling a friend the other day out of hundreds nearly thousands of bass ive caught ive only ever kept 3 and all out of stocked impoundments.
Below Moogerah dam for example i have seen a fair few meat fishos using these and when you look at them the wrong way they throw fish heads at you.. pricks. I really dont think people understand thats all they are doing teathering a fish is spoilinng the eating quality and if releasing a fish to upgrade severly hindering its chance of survival
Steve
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Fellas I take fish for a feed these days and use a keeper bag from the Canoe or Kayak.
When I am stationary or drifting its in the water. When I make a move its on the deck for a minute.
Some one pointed out to me one day that if you inflict a reasonable wound on the fish its probably going to be fatal any way so I would not tether.
If the first fish you catch is just legal length its not much of a feed anyway, let him go and look for the bigger fish.
Gordon
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I don't keep fish at all so this might be a silly question.
Why not catch it, kill it and then tether it in the water dead? Seems the same as tethering it live to me? Still keeping it in the cool water which would be better than having it in the yak if you don't have an esky.
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Exactly Brian,
Unfortunately there are a group of people who have a derogatory term for everyone except themselves. My question is, why would you want to tether a Golden Perch or Silver Perch. If you want to kill it to eat it, then kill it humanely and keep it, if you want to release it, release it straight away. Most people who tether do so for reasons of circumventing fisheries rules. (I want to keep this one, but I might get a bigger one later, or I've already got my bag limit, but I don't want to waste this fish.)
There is really no plausible reason to tether a fish and leave it to slowly die tied to a tree, it doesn't help the eating qualities at all. I've seen a few big dead cod that were tethered and forgotten or lost over the years.
why is it if someone talks about keeping a fish for dinner there called meatos??? i release all of the freshwater fish i catch. if im after a feed i head to the salt because whitting vs yellowbelly just doesnt cut it!
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Fitzy, boofheads doing the freezer run are still in possession of the fish be they in the boat or in the freezer! Suppose they might claim ones in the freezer belong to the wife though... Hardly worth the trip for a few fillets.
Brian, such terms are usually reserved for greenies mascarading as fishermen, generally can be picked because they will pick on other fisho's who are fishing legally, critising them for not meeting their particular shade of green, albeit they are not breaking any law.
Boarslayer, opposite side of the fence to the catch and release nazi is the kill and grill insult.
Like a lot of language, the original term gets changed in use, yes it would be insulting to those who suffered at the hands of Nazi's in WW2 to have it used for someone of a much much lesser form of low life - but the dilution started almost immediately after the war - plenty of Germans got called Nazi's whom were not. Its basically become a derogatory term for people with excessive views on a topic. Usually of a polar opposite to the one doing the name calling!
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Yeah. Extremeists on both sides of the fence. On one hand there are those that release everything and on the other there are those whose conversations revolve around terms such as a fish being 'legal', bag out, fill the esky, freezer full. We all use these terms occasionally but there are those whose fishing life revolves around them. If your one of these then wake up to yourself. As for tethering I personally don't agree with it. Use a net or take an esky. If you don't have room for an esky then you bought the wrong yak.
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It is not that hard to get a cheap fish stowing bag, be it from Ebay. I got one for my uncle for his bday, 20 bucks and it can fit up to an 80cm whole fish in it. It is insulated and you can take the fish (lined) compartment out to wash it?
I think tethering sounds kinda cruel. I am no means a green, but hey I wouldn't like to be tied to a tree for a few hours until I died.
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Yea, I must be one of these 'meat bags' so Im going to say something.
I fish fun, the challenge, the friends I make AND a feed. I pay my fees and I fish by the rules. I have never taken an undersized fish or gone over a bag limit or possesion limit, nor have I ever teathered a fish (the concept never crossed my mind, and im shocked by it) or 'upgraded' a fish that has been captive for a period of time or taken more fish than I need.
I get a bit PO reading all this stuff about meet bags, quite frankly knock it off.
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Daniel if your not an offender dont be offended.
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Yea, I must be one of these 'meat bags' so Im going to say something.
I fish fun, the challenge, the friends I make AND a feed. I pay my fees and I fish by the rules. I have never taken an undersized fish or gone over a bag limit or possesion limit, nor have I ever teathered a fish (the concept never crossed my mind, and im shocked by it) or 'upgraded' a fish that has been captive for a period of time or taken more fish than I need.
I get a bit PO reading all this stuff about meet bags, quite frankly knock it off.
Daniel, as far as I'm concerned there are a lot more of you than there are of any other fisherman. If it wasn't for guys like you we wouldn't have a SIP scheme. If it ever comes down to us defending our sport to PETA or anyone else, it is guys like you who can talk the loudest. :youbeauty
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After a few enquiries got this answer from Tony Ham, it is legal to tether fish as long as you stick to the size and possession limit or relevent regulations.
It is however illegal to upgrade tethered fish. In freshwater I C&R ONLY outside of stocked impoundments. In stocked impoundments will keep the odd fish for others as dont eat them myself this why they are stocked, to be taken. Will admit to some hypocrisy though with non indiginous natives outside of or entrained from stocked impoundments, remove every one that I catch with the exception of Toga.
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Thats an interesting interpretation, as Qld has only possession limits.
IE theoretically if I am shark phobic, I can legally catchem, killem and tossem back all day long, as long as I dont have more than one in my possession at any one time. So tossing back a dead or sick one to take a bigger shouldn't be illegal (not that I am advocating that, I consider it a hole in the law), as your immediately rectifying the fact your over your possession limit.
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After a few enquiries got this answer from Tony Ham, it is legal to tether fish as long as you stick to the size and possession limit or relevent regulations.
It is however illegal to upgrade tethered fish. In freshwater I C&R ONLY outside of stocked impoundments. In stocked impoundments will keep the odd fish for others as dont eat them myself this why they are stocked, to be taken. Will admit to some hypocrisy though with non indiginous natives outside of or entrained from stocked impoundments, remove every one that I catch with the exception of Toga.
Steve, did HamBone say that a tethered fish is deemed to be in possession?
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Where does the law stand regarding "in possession" as against daily bag limits? In the various comps that mainly fish the dams, keeping fish in a live well then upgrading is considered to be OK. I must admit that I have never come across this business of tieing fish up then coming back for it later. Perhaps it's a Queensland thing. Before live wells and in the absence of an ice box we used to put them in something like an onion bag tied to the side of the boat/canoe. I have a problem with extremes in anything whether it be meat hunters or "catch and release nazi's" (quaint term) These days I only take the odd fish for a feed, and see no reason to take a bag limit just because the law says I can. But try very hard not to take the moral high ground. Sometimes with success.
John
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Steve, did HamBone say that a tethered fish is deemed to be in possession?
That was my understanding Fitz. As it should be, you have caught it and it is clearly in your possession with the intent to take it.
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Interesting discussion.
I wonder if Fisheries regard thethering to be the same as holdingin a well or tank?
It is however illegal to upgrade tethered fish
Puts tournament style comps in some difficulties...... First 2 caught as opposed to biggest 2 caught....
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Interesting discussion.
I wonder if Fisheries regard thethering to be the same as holdingin a well or tank?
Puts tournament style comps in some difficulties...... First 2 caught as opposed to biggest 2 caught....
My point exactly Fitzy. I don't fish comps but don't have any problem with those who do. I just wonder how many fish die as a result of being in a live well, particularly one that's not well set up or faulty.
JD
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Never ever seen a clear and concise answer to the question of having 2 Bass in possession in a "livewell"(sic) in tournaments in QLD, seems it is tolerated.
NSW has a daily bag limit of 2 and a possession limit of 4 in impoundments so is it legal ?. Rivers with the limit of only 1 over 35 cm would make a live weigh situation unworkable you would think.
Always cringe when I see pics of tournament anglers proudly holding their 2 big fat gravid fish up by the bottom jaw in the US Pro fashion.
Particularly when they have obvious cutaneous haemorrhaging from ammonia poisoning in the "livewell"(sic) :walkplank
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Steve,
sure is lots of people willing to take the high moral ground re: tethering - if we want to play pretend animal libbers maybe we should be concerned about using light line, pointy hooks, live wells, live bait, gravid fish holding (as you mentioned) etc etc... ::)
People call me a greeny and I'm happy to wear the term - but I wear it as a conservationist not an animal libber, I don't like to see animal's suffer unecessarily - but at the end of the day I'm a predator and fish are prey - and which ever way you look at it they're going to suffer to some degree in our interaction- I thought tethering was illegal - but maybe that is only in NSW where I now live - if it isn't I'll still use it (in Qld) if I need to, re: fish being so stressed etc..back in the day of famiily camping trips before everybody had 3 way engel or what ever - we used to regularly thether barra for the table and if you do it properly though the septa in the lower jaw and not through the mouth - fish will stay fresh and alive for days - cam't say I ever noticed a flavour problem...still if I can I carry and esky with ices lurry but when you can't tethering works fine - look out in bull shark and croc country tho... :-\
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I usually tether the black mongrells untill its time to go home because if you knock them on the head after a couple of hours they stink out the boat.
Cheers
Ray
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That would definitely be illega if you are referring to tilapia ray they are
Mouthbrooders which is why they must be killed and not returned to the water
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Be a brave /stupid ??? fisheries officer who'd fine you for that - considering the fish and any potential brood held in teh mouth just came out of teh same water, and that ecologically it aint gonna make one iota of difference to the tilapia population in the water body you've just taken them from... ::)
Ray- just make sure you insert your tether chain before you remove them - then you havn't yet removed them from the water I suppose.... ;)
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Be a brave /stupid ??? fisheries officer who'd fine you for that - considering the fish and any potential brood held in teh mouth just came out of teh same water, and that ecologically it aint gonna make one iota of difference to the tilapia population in the water body you've just taken them from... ::)
Ray- just make sure you insert your tether chain before you remove them - then you havn't yet removed them from the water I suppose.... ;)
Quite legal if tethered in esky on ice . Throats cut on way back to ramp and then disposed of. As I said if killed immediately they go rotten in guts and stink the boat out.
reason for tethering is so they can be removed from esky in one or 2 lifts instead of removing individually.
Cheers
Ray
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Do you eat them? I find they have quite nice flaking white flesh fillets and not bad chewing if out of clean water - don't know haw'd they fare out of an impoundment but probably better than bass out o fthe same water?
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We are not allowed to eat them Jim.
As an aside has any one ever caught one with a mouthfull ?
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We are not allowed to eat them Jim.
As an aside has any one ever caught one with a mouthfull ?
I don't know if they eat while they've got a mouthful of eggs.....??
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From what I have read they do not eat when they have eggs or are protecting fry.
$ 12 a kg whole gutted fish at Inala.Dont know where they come from.
Imported fillets $23 kg at Capalaba last time I looked.
Ones out of NPD taste pretty good in egg and breadcrumbs.
Wouldnt be game to eat any out of the likes of Bulimba or Oxley creek.
They are good fun on light gear.
Another bucket from NPD today.
CHeers
Ray