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Knot in the Leader
« on: April 10, 2011, 08:01:31 AM »
Thanks for the advice folks.  Thats an interesting site on rigs Callop.

I have been done some testing and the double overhand is definately the weak point.

This is to make leaders for the fly line.  Saves buying the tapered leaders.

What I am doing is twisting up 3.5 metres of line with the bat drill, doubling back about a metre of this and letting it twist up.
At the point where the leader goes from double to single strand I tie off with a double overhand then letting the single line unwind.

When I test this out, it breaks a lot earlier at the point of the knot than when I stretch a single strand of the same line.

Anybody have any ideas on what knot I should be using there




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Re: Knot in the Leader
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 08:29:56 AM »
I personally just save time by keeping a few knotless tapperd leaders in my kit. At least you shouldnt be worrying about knots with them. Each to their own i suppose.

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Re: Knot in the Leader
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2011, 08:44:26 AM »
Best system for single strand twisted fly leaders is to start with a bimini and a long loop about 2 meters. Cut the loop open at the end and then twist the 2 legs together, tie this off with a quick granny knot so it doesn't come undone. So far we have a single strand of 1-2m then bimini then double twisty of 2m. Next double back the twisted section on itself and twist it together to create 4 strand butt leader, finish with double overhand. finished leader should be 1-2m single, 1/2 m double, 1m 4 strand, and you have a loop on the end to connect to the fly line.
I did it like this a long time ago, then went to just a double strand with 4 strand butt, loop on both ends. This saves time and line as you can use the but section for a long time by just replacing your single leader with loops.   

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Re: Knot in the Leader
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2011, 09:31:08 AM »
Have to work on that one.

Just need to make it as transparent and as far away as possible from the big braided loop.

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Re: Knot in the Leader
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2011, 10:29:40 AM »
Traditionally a Nail Knot is used where you're talking about Gordon.

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Re: Knot in the Leader
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2011, 10:38:21 AM »
Might be easier if you tied a few up for me Chris :youbeauty

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Re: Knot in the Leader
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2011, 11:54:33 AM »
I think the knotted dogs used a surgeon's loop.

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Re: Knot in the Leader
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2011, 04:15:46 PM »
I think the knotted dogs used a surgeon's loop.

Pretty sure knotted dogs had 2 nail knots Dale but they were only made in 2 strand to 4 strand with loops on both ends, great leaders in the sticks at Faust :thumbsup

Gordon, the best approach for fly leaders is to keep it simple mate, like I said, I "used to" do these things (outa luck Paul  :P). Basic leader for 6-8 wt rods would be a 60lb butt section 1 1/2 m long with 1-1 1/2 m of tippet, connect them with loops or 3 turn surgeon's

 

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Re: Knot in the Leader
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2011, 10:09:57 PM »
Thanks fellas I will play with a few when I get a chance.  Looking for the simple way of course.

Will get back if I get good results.

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Re: Knot in the Leader
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2011, 07:41:58 AM »
Traditionally a Nail Knot is used where you're talking about Gordon.

Cheers,

fitzy..
I use a nail knot for all my leader construction.  Never had one fail at the knot.

Steve

 

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