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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #45 on: June 07, 2011, 06:50:56 AM »
Queensland Stocking Groups, operating under the SIP scheme have never in any way operated under a system of rejuvinating river fish stocks.  Their role is purely to stock fish into impoundments to cater to recreational fishers to maintain a put and take fishery.  If SIP stockers see themselves as saving a species from extinction they need to take a very long look at the process.

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #46 on: June 07, 2011, 11:35:11 AM »
Though impoundments were never stocked for conservation or supplementation of wild Bass stocks this has occurred. In some streams on a massive scale, entrainment of large numbers of stocked fish was inevitable. Though the effects of this upon within-population variability of the remnant populations downstream and nearby streams was known to biologists since the late eighties and well understood by the mid nineties it was either overlooked or ignored. Has this caused irreversible damage to genetic diversity of Bass populations in SEQ ? nobody knows as no genetic studies have ever been done. 

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2011, 05:26:29 PM »
A lot has been mentioned about upstream of first barrier/Weir/Dam and a lot of references to Mt Crosby Weir.
When Brisbane Valley Anglers submitted their Stocking Management Plan to stock the river above Mt Crosby, the Stocking part of DPI Fisheries, considered it a Riverine Impoundment, which apparently covers all weirs with a natural flow component, as opposed to a Dam which can regulate the outflow.
It would be interesting to hear if the Fisheries regulatory arm, would make of that 'description' and would it then be added to the 'open' waters like the BIG impoundments.

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2011, 06:31:45 PM »
 Alot of replies getting off subject
Fitz, Closed season in all tidal areas, downstream of weir or structure, any area that a fish has an opportunity to procreate,
How about that big word
No fishing full stop
That way, if someone is fishing in that area, they know they shouldnt be there
Why make grey areas, people will argue their point of right,? forever while there is a grey area
Give the fish a spell, both remnant and wild in some areas, that is how it is, and its not going to change
Who is going to lose if the river is closed for a couple of months?
Who is going to lose a job?
Is anyones livelyhood affected if the river is closed?

Are there big fat Wivenhoe Bass, Hinze Bass, Somerset Bass positioning around the paddock?
Marron Bass, Moogerah Bass

Give the river a spell,

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #49 on: June 07, 2011, 06:34:42 PM »
Steve I wouldn't worry about genetic diversity too much.  Look at the Australian population.  Some good areas some bad.

A little hickup along the way.  Finally survival of the fittest will win out in the end.  It always has.

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #50 on: June 07, 2011, 07:07:05 PM »
Paul, are you saying to stop all fishing in the Brisbane, Coomera, Nerang, Logan, Albert, Maroochy, Mooloolah, Caboolture, Pine, Noosa and every other river on the South East Coast?  Where do you draw the line, upstream of the Storey Bridge?  Upstream of the Highway of the Nerang and Coomera?  Upstream of the Highway on the Pine?  This idea would be totally unrealistic and would cause a bigger uproar then the famous Green Zones.

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #51 on: June 07, 2011, 07:40:29 PM »
Paul, are you saying to stop all fishing in the Brisbane, Coomera, Nerang, Logan, Albert, Maroochy, Mooloolah, Caboolture, Pine, Noosa and every other river on the South East Coast?  Where do you draw the line, upstream of the Storey Bridge?  Upstream of the Highway of the Nerang and Coomera?  Upstream of the Highway on the Pine?  This idea would be totally unrealistic and would cause a bigger uproar then the famous Green Zones.

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2011, 05:42:11 AM »
Fitzy asked for peoples opinions
I can go fishing plenty other places
Not into arguing, debate on forums, you blokes can do that
Identify the places Bass breed
Signpost it
Go somewhere else to fish
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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2011, 07:05:45 AM »
This is boiling down to a matter of opinions . It would be a shame to see it come between people with the same best interest at heart for the same fish.

Its definitely something that wont be settled within a few weeks.

Told you it would need allot of thought Fitzy no offence.

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2011, 07:17:32 AM »
Fitzy asked for peoples opinions
I can go fishing plenty other places
Not into arguing, debate on forums, you blokes can do that
Identify the places Bass breed
Signpost it
Go somewhere else to fish
Black and white

You've identified the biggest issue here.

"Identify where Bass breed"

Is there an area in the Brisbane River where they breed?  Or the Pine?  Are we protecting fish, and stopping recreational angling for nothing?  There is no Black and White on this issue it's one big grey area.

As for fishing somewhere else, what about the average city dwellers who take their kids to the jetties at Jindalee, St. Lucia, Indooroopilly, West End, Bulimba, Hawthorne etc.  Do we stop them from this activity for 3 months of the year?  What about the impact on the Nerang River?  How many fisheries officers would need to be employed to enforce this?  Is there really any point in trying to let the corrupted gene pools in the Nerang, Brisbane and Pine breed at the cost of banning all fishing in the system? 
I would suggest that the law should stand as it is, apart from making the Noosa River a "no take" area for Bass.  (Even that is arguable with the genetic problems introduced by having a hatchery on the edge of one of the last remaining "natural" Bass populations.) 
Constructive discussion is not arguing.

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2011, 07:28:10 AM »
It's pretty obvious from everything that has been said that it will be very difficult to actually impose a ban on Bass fishing while they spawn so how about a No take rule and spend some money on educating people why they should avoid targeting Bass in the salt during winter months. Encourage the idea of moving on when a gathering of spawning bass is found. The average weekend fisho is not really going to have any adverse affect on spawning bass so the odd one caught by them won't be a problem. Signs at access point and on jettys explaining the situation and encouraging careful release of Bass would have an effect that could really help

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2011, 11:50:24 AM »
Hi All

From what i have seen and observed , these type of closed seasons are not worth the paper / signage it's written on , it offers little in the way of protection  , sure it's going to limit the amount of fish taken and that's about it .

I am not fully aware of the make up of Bass , do they have dramas spawing after C/ R   ? 
I know Cod do ,   I would like to see / support  a total closure of any waterway carrying wild  Murray Cod

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2011, 12:40:28 PM »
I cannot see a total closure of the entire Murray Darling system being brought in to protect a species which has shown a remarkable come back under the current regulations.  It is the same with Bass, the current system isn't broken, why do we need to change it?

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2011, 01:28:27 PM »
Dale

No need to close down the whole of the MD system , just the areas that hold wild stocks , their gene pool is very important , from what i understand , these wild areas are very  few and far between , the recovery that you speak of is down to heavy stocking .

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Re: Green light on fishing for bass during closed season?
« Reply #59 on: June 08, 2011, 03:01:42 PM »
The heavy stocking has already depleted the importance of natural wild stocks.  Can anybody identify where the natural wild stocks are of Bass, Murray Cod, Trout Cod or Barramundi anymore?

 

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