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News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« on: January 11, 2012, 04:29:23 PM »
As you may or may not know Paradise Dam Stocking Association amongst others had been fighting the conservationists to be allowed to stock the dam ( I always found that a bit odd as they have been stocking Mingo crossing for years..it flows into paradise dam) and recently overcame them in court. The upshot of this is they have now been given the go-ahead to stock the impoundment with Barra.  Apparently (is it fish talk?) it's design and location is said to be perfect for Barra.
The end product is to have a competition to rival the one held at Monduran dam. To help acheive this the Dam will be going onto the SIP's so you will have to pay to fish it, later.
There is an annual "Catch a Catfish" comp (which we sponsored this year and will from now on) which is quite successful. Not sure of all the prizes, as there are a few, but it is a well run event. if they start stocking now (i think they will) then in two years we could see some Barra in the 60 - 70cm Range. Of course there are Barra there now, but not enough to cause a stir. It's good news as it will attract more visitors which will add to the stocks of Bass and Yellas already there via the extra funds.
Fishing wise I've been chasing Yellas. Firstly at Boondooma (first visit), stuffed that up. More water skiers and jet skiís than fish and there were no redclaw..boo! Note to self don't go on new years again. Came back to Childers and my son caught his first yella in the local creek! That had us hitting a few local water holes and Lake Gregory (always produces a Bass). Total so far, 1 yella, 3 Silvers, 6 Bass, 30 Gar, 30 Mullet, 6 tandans (cammo ones I call em) and 3 spangled perch.
Lures that worked, Tilson, River2Sea baby Crank, Smak golden child, Jackall crank  and some spinnerbaits from Bassman. Biggest catcher of the two weeks or so..Worms!
Here we are sitting on the bank floats bobbing in unison when I get a "down" (highly tech term for float going under water). After a sharp brief battle I'm snagged and the line breaks! Sugar..no extra float..so I tied a piece of stick to the line and started again. After a while my lost float started drifting back to the bank. Should I wait or should I try to grab it. Hmm ask mr patience and he says nope..na na. So I start flicking my makeshift float (worm attached) at the passing float in the water. After several goes I finally drag the stick close to the float.
Thoughts are, drag stick close and flick it into the float to snag it,pull it closer. Plan in place off I go, twitch, twitch and bang the stick takes off. Short fight and one Mullet on the line. That unexpected event turned the tables for us. We started chucking the floats out and slow rolling them in. Any enquiry was met with a twitch and bang we were on. Fish learn fast tho. Two days later and the same trick isnít working.
To end the story all fish were released and I got my float back.
Happy endings, gotta love em. ;)




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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 05:58:31 PM »
Good to hear you are getting a few mate. Boondooma is a top spot when it's quiet, I also made the mistake of going there at Christmas time a few years ago, never again. That is good news about pardise dam, been a long time coming.

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 07:30:54 PM »
Thats great news about Paradise.

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 01:06:06 PM »
Hi fellas, yep good news. The childers area is a great spot to fish, right out to mundubbera and Gayndah. They keep the fresh rivers stocked well up here. The only thing missing was a good Barra dam (although Lenthals has a few). This will mean a 30 minute trip for me. Woodgate one side, burrum the other, lenthals south, Paradise west and Lake gregory 20 minutes away.
If anyone is interested there's a Mango farm come fish farm you can stay at. He has a small boat he lets you use to fish one of his dams for barra/Silvers. It's called Mango Paradise..bed & Barra. Good Cabins and great people. It's an interesting place, I love checking out the fish in the tanks.
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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 01:30:50 PM »
As per usual, the public know before Fisheries !!!!

I'm trying to confirm through Rod Cheetham DEEDI Kingaroy....If true (and I have no reason to believe it isn't...) - can I congratulate the Paradise Dam Fish Stocking Committee for the long and unwaivering struggle to get to this point - well done ladies and gents .... a good fight and an excellent victory. Please do not rest on your laurels....if you think Paradise could be something special on the freshwater fishing map of Queensland, please 'take bull by the horns and ride it' for everything it is worth. It really is your baby - do with it as you wish.
Can I also give a 'slap on the back' to Rod Cheetham Fisheries Kingaroy.....Rod has been a very loud and proud (sometimes at his Managing Director's scorn) advocate of the proposed stocking program for Paradise Dam and has persued its passage through the hallways of Primary Industry Building and into the Fisheries Ministers office. Well done Cheeto...

As I said I hope it is true...A very very very good news story......

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 02:46:56 PM »
It's true..I have a paper on the wall of the shop saying..Paradise Stocking Association inc.."thanks for supporting catch a catty.. blah blah.. the monies raised from the catch a catty comp will be used to buy fingerlings to stock Paradise Dam. Not to mention having the guys asking me to sponsor it..which is great. The conservationist's had their argument thrown out some months back. They were on TV (win) crying it could be the end of them due to the court costs! I'll check with John and see how they're travelling, they were quite pleased to say the least. I know some local fish breeders were hoping to get into the stocking side of things?
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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 10:48:42 PM »
Thanks for the info Childers. Great news on Paradise Dam getting one step closer to some native fish being put back in there. Best case scenario is for the dam to be removed but we know that isn't going to happen, we may as well get a recreational use from the water before it gets used for watering citrus & cane down stream.


Fishfolk. Cheeto is a top bloke, even tho he is a mexican. Passionate, hard working, convictions worn on his sleeve. A credit to his work & worth more money (are his bosses reading this?)

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2012, 01:54:49 PM »


Look.... I am sorry to burst the bubble...It seems the news of stocked fish going in Paradise is slightly premature.

Despite the win in the courts, there is nothing new to report in respect to the proposed stocking program of Paradise Dam - I hope i can confirm something in the near future.......but I am not very good at holding my breath...

Therefore Cheetham should be paid for what he is worth..........I dare not put a figure !!!!

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2012, 11:14:02 PM »
What win in the courts are your referring to? What was the court case concerning? Was it to odo withy the right to stock fish in Paradise ? who took who to court?

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 10:07:02 AM »

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 10:21:27 AM »
Well seems like someone's got the bull by the tits then, this case had nothing to do with fish stocking - its was to do with the failure of Burnett Water (Qld Govt) to proviode fish passage at the dam 'suitable' for a Federaly listed threatened species (Lungfish)- and despite the court case outcome - its remains a mystery how any but those uterly ignorant of the science (or alternatively with a Government sypathetic agenda) - could ever find that fish passage provided at the dam is 'suitable' - given that when the case went to court only three juvenile lungfish had ever been recorded to move upstream pass the dam and none downstream through provided fishways - there was more money spent by the government defending the case than could of been needed to rectify the problems of the fishway (or avoid  them in the first place - total disgrace) I don't know how any fishers with ecological awareness could ever consider the case 'a win' - considering so many of our desired sport fish in Qld also depend on good fish passage and structures that stuff fish passage should be lamented by all that care :thumbdown

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2012, 11:29:23 AM »
Sorry Jim expected your response, followed this with some interest due the associated hoo ha that occured at NPD (courtesy of "Fisheries Consultant" sic David Kreutz)  Found it rather hard to believe that your report was rejected for the reasons stated.

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2012, 02:44:27 PM »
Yeah thanks Steve, was a pretty frustrating exercise to see how science interacts with the legal process - they resorted to playing the man instead of the ball.... :-\

There were a few funny moments tho;

Like when the Govt Barister made out that I wasn't an expert and then our side pointed out that their firm had egaged me as an expert 15 years ago in an international fisheries case (Ok Tedi)
When the Govt team used exerts from Sweetwater fishing forums I'd posted (can you belive they went to that much trouble to try and find dirt on me) to paint me as contradictory in statements I'd made about Lungfish - without realising they were regard to Mary River populations and in relation to Mary River Cod - not the Burnett River "Now Mr Tait where you say if the arse falls out of recruitment lungfish are stuffed are these your words"
Where they realised that some of my Lungfish expertise (which they were claiming I had none) was in relation to a baseline study I did for the Government on Traveston (which subsequently ended up on the cutting room floor ::))

Still it was challenging to have your reputation smeared through the media - by legal heads that don't understand ecology - the judges basic conclusion was that because I wasn't specifically a 'Lungfish biologist' or a fishway designer I wasn't qualified to comment despite the fact that I've worked for decades in freshwater fish  and catchment managment including on threatened species such as Eastern Cod with a similatr suite of issues to lungfish (long lived, low fercundity etc) and have done regional scale assements of fish passage barriers and their implication for fish populations - he didn't get that expertise on fish barriers as opposed to fishways was as much or more relevant in the case of the Paradise Dam impacts :-\

Issues surrounding the stepped spillway at the dam - which most fish use (not by choice) for downstream movement were thrown out as extraneous /not relevant to the case of provision of suitable fish passage - hence the claim that my report overstepped the particulars of the case and could be conviently thrown out - also ythe issue that opinion could not be seperated by fact - my report is on the web for all to see, I indicated whenever statements were 'in my opinion' - elsewise they were based on facts collected by Government agency scientists.

What is telling is to see the agreement between the Government expert and myself - check out the jointy experts report - we agreed on 95% of the presented facts - yet the judgment [placed very little weight ion this report because he discredited my expertise and seemed to belive that some how I had coerced the Government expert into agreeing to the facts I presented to him  ??? - Ce la vie - still poops me off when you see the case pop up in a forum for rec fishers as though its us versus them - some don't seem to realise that you can be a conservationist and a fisher - in fact we need to be!! - Nuff bsaid

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2012, 05:08:42 PM »
Well Jim, Lawyers is Lawyers, they are always going to try and discredit whatever the opposition says. Thats why we refuse to do any testing at work for anything that might remotely have a chance of ending up in court, even though you get paid for the original work, you dont get paid for the court time, and that can be substantial, and then as you found, you just get attacked anyway.

I assume this means the case is ever now, or is it being appealed?.

The original wording of the condition is poor anyway, "suitable for lungfish" does not mean anything, it does not mean they will actually use it, or that it will assist their passage, just that it could. One could argue the evidence of several juvenile lungfish using it is evidence it is suitable for lungfish and they have met the condition.  I would also argue that it only requires construction of the fishway to commence when the dam is operational. As I said very poor wording

Should have said something that required free passage for native species to be both provided and observed in practice for the duration of construction and afterwards.

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Re: News on paradise Dam & my xmas effort
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2012, 09:47:49 AM »
Sorry bout that (previous post). I was just about to say.. hi everyone as I write I am scanning the paper given to me by the Paradise stocking association. I was given this for sponsoring the catch a catty comp. During our discussion I was told that the guys had been given the approval to stock paradise Dam with Barra and they would get the go ahead end of December 2011.
In a previous post I said I would catch up to the Paradise stocking association and see how they were travelling. I have and they are still waiting to receive the permit. I asked if all was well and had they started to stock yet. I was told "still waiting". I asked if the decision had been changed (obvious question when something stalls) and got this reply;

Quote - "I donít think they have changed their mind we just have to wait for them to make a decision of when to give it to us.

We will probably be buying fish, but I donít know from where as that will have to be a decision of the committee when the time comes.

Cheers
John
(end quote)

The previous court battle that was about a fish ladder and lung fish meant no ruling on stocking the dam could be made until that case had been settled. It wasn't a case about stocking in the strictest sense (how could anyone argue that with the many dams already being stocked successfully) but it did stop any developments from occurring.
 It's my understanding that there will not be an appeal about the decision made, as it cost the conservationists financially. You may not have seen it in south of the Burnett region but it was on the TV up here.
The thing I find odd about it all is you can catch Barra there now. They have been stocking Mingo crossing for years, it runs into Paradise. Which made a mockery of the "Barra will eat the Lungfish" story that was bouncing around (locally).
Anyway, that's the local angle on this subject. I will attach a copy of the letter I have from Paradise stocking association which states "monies raised will be used to purchase fingerlings to stock Paradise Dam". No mention of Barra in the letter but it was the fish we discussed. IMHO it would be a bit silly making a statement, putting it in writing and gaining money for the event if it's not true! Gaining money by deception I would think. There are many other businesses in the area that Sponsor these events too.
As for me, Iím not trying to be an ITK bloke Iím just passing on what I think is interesting developments that have some Merit.
See if I am pop the letter in here..

Cheers  :youbeauty

 

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