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Queenslands No Take legislation under the Fisheries Act is very well defined and clear cut.
Why is it ignored by every forum, magazine, journo and angler who are well aware of it ?



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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2013, 03:58:00 PM »
Queenslands No Take legislation under the Fisheries Act is very well defined and clear cut.
Why is it ignored by every forum, magazine, journo and angler who are well aware of it ?
Hi elops

Can you give some examples of what you mean?

Do you mean magazine guys fishing in the Brisbane River during bass closed season and using pictures of the bass in their stories?

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2013, 06:59:01 PM »
Might be well defined in the fisheries act, its not well defined in the rule books handed out to joe bloggs your average fisho. EG Barra specifically states no catch and release, nothing (or in one version a  vague reference) for bass, so people assume if it says you cant catch and release for Barra, but doesn't say anything about bass, then you must be able to do it.
Then everyone who asks a question about the rules from someone at fisheries gets a different interpretation of the rules to boot.

And of course then tied in to that is the stupidity of what waterways are exempt from the closed season and which ones are not. People know very well a dam fish is a dam fish regardless of what dam it is in, it becomes very easy for people to break rules they know are wrong, then its easier to break them where it actually matters.

Which all leads to a total disrespect of the fishing rules.


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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2013, 08:55:07 PM »
It is not ignored by me........

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2013, 10:12:44 PM »
Are you talking about regulated fish?
The Fisheries Act will identify unlawful acts, which will correspond to the size and bag limits set by the government. http://www.daff.qld.gov.au/documents/Fisheries_RecreationalFishing/Rec-fishing-fresh-waters-A4.pdf
(I think forums like this one aid in educating the average fisher which is probably more than you would get anywhere else; there is a lot of people on here with a lot of knowledge).

As long as you are abiding by the season, size and bag limits set by the Government you will have no problems; as for the others not doing the right thing, we can only hope they don't do too much harm.

p.s If you want to have a look National Code of Practice for Recreational and Sport Fishing then you will see how grey this area is.

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 05:36:11 AM »
It is not ignored by me........

Or me, but I tell you its pretty lonely our side of the fence at times!

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 06:31:12 AM »
That is true!

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 09:03:35 AM »
While I completely agree with the no targeting Barra etc during their spawning season and abide by the spirit of the rules by not even targeting them for C&R(luckily I have tinaroo to focus on during the closed seaon), I know in my head that it is a useless concept  while they continue to allow nets in our estuaries. Barra stocks will never recover properly while this is allowed so to a degree I think 'whats the point?' It also amuses me that while some species are selected for protection during their reproductive cycle, with others it is the primary time to target them, often by professional fishos using techniques that take entire gatherings, not just one or two here and there. Hypocrisy anyone?

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2013, 12:46:45 PM »
I would really love to know why I see photo's of Mary River Cod that are caught from area's that are not impoundments ie river's and creek's and the fish are taken from the water for photographing , why is it they not released immediately..... :Hunting)

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2013, 02:02:25 PM »
That is the grey area with all fish and closed seasons. Even if people release them but take a happy snap, they just use the "but I am not keeping it" excuse... Also it states not to take them from the water, sometimes the excuse can be, it is safer or easier to dehook in the boat or bank.. With all the sharks about in certain areas, I would feel safer taking the fish from the water and returning it quickly after removing the hooks.

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2013, 06:15:28 PM »
I would really love to know why I see photo's of Mary River Cod that are caught from area's that are not impoundments ie river's and creek's and the fish are taken from the water for photographing , why is it they not released immediately..... :Hunting)

If you want to follow the letter of the law, if its not their natural range, your not allowed to put them back.  :o

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2013, 08:54:04 PM »
If you want to follow the letter of the law, if its not their natural range, your not allowed to put them back.  :o

Where does that info come from Andrew? I'm confused..........MRC's are not native to the mid & lower Brisbane River, but are totally protected (ie MUST be returned to the water). How can they be totally protected and thus immediately released if you are not allowed to put them back? AND, upstream of Wivenhoe Dam wall MRC's are on longer protected but regulated by size & bag limits that dictate an under size fish MUST be returned to the water???

Something doesn't add up....

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2013, 09:06:21 PM »
Let's face it... Qld's Fisheries Act / Regs are worded badly. It doesn't matter what the "intent is", if it reads like rice on brail nobody is going to be understumble it.

Further, there are many many many inconsistencies in some areas, eg bass closed season applied to waters where they cannot get on their own; above dams weirs AND in waters where bass are translocated.... WHY protect stocked fish FFS?

If it all very wishy washy, the general public won't respect them & that's pretty much where we sit right now unfortunately.

I'll praise any Fisheries Minister who has the coconuts to make the necessary changes so that:
A- the fish are adequately managed
B- recreational anglers can participate in their chosed activity in a manner easily defined and do so without fear or favour...

In the mean time, IMHO anyone who sits in that chair & doesn't do the right thing is only there for their own benefit.

Also, all the legislation under the sun is worth Jack Diddley if there is no enforcement to back it up. Again, that's pretty much where we currently sit...........

It's not bloody rocket surgery.....

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2013, 03:22:46 AM »
Quote from the Fishing rules and regulations booklet.

"Tilapia, carp and gambusia are some of the declared species of noxious fish. Along with other noxious and non-indigenous fish, they must not be released into Queensland waters or be used as bait, either live or dead. "

If its not their natural range, they are non indigenous - yes?

Another example of the cr@p in the guides handed out to people!

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Re: QLD No Take Legislation. Is it worth the paper it's written on ?
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2013, 04:06:18 AM »
Quote from the Fishing rules and regulations booklet.

"Tilapia, carp and gambusia are some of the declared species of noxious fish.Along with other noxious and non-indigenous fish, they must not be released into Queensland waters or be used as bait, either live or dead.

If its not their natural range, they are non indigenous - yes?

Another example of the cr@p in the guides handed out to people!
Which is why a lot of people destroy every yella caught in the brisbane and Pine rivers.
 Another inconstancy I have a letter in writing stating that it is legal to use dead redclaw as bait wheras  ".Along with other noxious and non-indigenous fish, they must not be released into Queensland waters or be used as bait, either live or dead. "


No wonder the bush lawyers have a field day twisting the regs to suit their own purposes.
 I always put my questions in writing rather than rely on some clerks interruption where you have no comeback it the information that you are given is incorrect.
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