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Special Interest => Fish Restocking / Acclimatisation and Environment => Topic started by: rayke1938 on August 01, 2015, 08:26:38 AM
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Extract from LAFMA newsletter
"Hanwood Fish Hatchery of Murgon has been given the go ahead to produce/sell Mary River cod fingerlings. They are allowed 6 pair of brood stock but the fish must be collected outside the Mary River catchment. Craig has not had much success in procuring brood stock at this stage."
Anyone know if any other hatcheries have approval?
Cheers
Ray
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I will trade them some for goldfish.......................
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Even though bag limits, size limits, closed waters (around barriers etc) & closed seasons apply to MRCs outside of the Mary R catchment, I won't be a happy camper if I hear of anyone taking breeding stock from the Brisbane, lower / mid Stanley, Bremer catchments without some consultation & I'll want to know where the parents of any fingerlings came from before I'm happy to buy any.
A hasty decision or suspect activity could cost a shonky breeder a lot of business via other species purchases, or lack there of.....
Transparency & communication is the key to good outcome on this touchy subject. :thumb
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Good to see some common sense has finally prevailed.
We (Caboolture) would certainly be happy to help him collect some brood stock out of the Stanley. Given we put over 15000 in there, there should be a few around.
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Personally, I wouldn't want to see Stocked Impoundment Permit money put towards a fish that the average fisherman cannot target for over one third of the year. If governments want to save the Mary River Cod they should not use recreational anglers funds to do it. They should first have the farmers fix the river banks, and re snag the rivers so the fish can rejuvenate themselves.
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Good to see some common sense has finally prevailed.
We (Caboolture) would certainly be happy to help him collect some brood stock out of the Stanley. Given we put over 15000 in there, there should be a few around.
Stocked as part of MRCR&RP and given to you for free to stock actually. I struggle to understand why you(and others) would be happy to help a commercial hatchery remove the large breeders. These are the end result of decades of work and natural selection, now with a closed season they finally may get a chance to actually spawn and give some recruitment. Exchanging these priceless large breeding fish for hormone induced fingerlings that you have to pay for seems like lunacy to me.
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To answer your question Ray. One other hatchery should be operating next season, Russell has broodstock out in ponds atm, we have only 2 pair out in ponds at Gerry Cook Hatchery this year.
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This is a two faced argument people you do realise that
So the hateries that do have brood stock, they got theirs through the miracle of ????
Did their fish just happen to naturally just float into their possession to both of them in the great flood of 1723?
I understand people have alliances with other people and had disagreements with others, but someone needs to make me understand this more.
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I believe that most of the Hatcheries with brood stock acquired these through the Mary River Cod Recovery Program, although I do recall someone requesting brood stock from the last Kirkleagh Klassic. In reality, as Volunteer Fish Stockers, we buy fish and stock waters with money raised from recreational anglers; that is where our responsibility and ownership ends. If anyone takes these fish by any legal method we, the stockers, cannot do anything about it. Unfortunately, if DAF have given a permit to obtain brood stock, we really can't do sh!t, except express our disapproval.
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"I never got the logic of a hatchery taking brood stock from a fishery built on community funds, then have the audacity to sell the fish produced from those fish back to the fishery where the brood stock came from in the first place."
Are there any hatcheries that still gather their broodstock from the wild ?
Over the years I have seen different hatcheries gathering broodstock from NPD,Hinze,Maroon and Baroon Pocket.
From some of the comments made in this thread it would appear that some people are also against the jungle perch re establishment program in SEQ.
Cheers
Ray
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Jungle Perch are not on the "no take" list Ray. Mary River Cod are currently listed as endangered. Have you seen the sh!t storm that erupted over Cecil the lion? Can we, as responsible recreational anglers really promote the targeting of an Endangered Species? I questioned SWFSA's approval to stock MRC from RFEP funds, and I still question the approval to stock them with SIP Funds. Yes, I would love to see Mary River Cod re-established but I don't believe recreational anglers should have to pay for what primary producers ruined. Jungle Perch stocking is a completely different issue, because a, they are not on the Endangered Species list and b, the intention should be to substitute these for Golden and Silver Perch in the eastern waterways. Golden Perch shouldn't be in the Brisbane, Bremer and Pine River systems.
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From some of the comments made in this thread it would appear that some people are also against the jungle perch re establishment program in SEQ.
Cheers
Ray
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Just sayin you have more chance of catching a mary than a jp in seq and please explain why posts referring to jp captures in the gc hinterland are removed.
As for cowboys do you not have to possess a collection permit to collect brood stock and would this not be regulated by fisheries,
Cheers
Ray
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I haven't seen any posts regarding JP captures removed. Do you have a date, so I can check the log?
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From memory back in may
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Nope, can't find a JP post, that's been deleted. You're not thinking about Sooties are you?
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Sweetwaters replies are right on the money.
Agree that fisheries need to be involved with sourcing brood stock.
No mater what permits are issued, it is too late now to obtain brood for this season. This would need to be done early in the new year.
Hatcheries need to be closely monitored with their brood stock, and should be dealt appropriately and fined if these fish are harmed, die etc. These brood stock do not belong to the hatchery. It would actually be appropriate in my opinion if they are charged for the fish in the first place, gives them some ownership of these fish. Numbers need to be capped and not a free for all to get brood when ever they want.
Agree with Dale in regards that SiP monies can not be wasted or spend willy nilly on MRC. However, groups like Sommerset Wivenhoe and other A few other SIP groups have become lazy. More effort needs to be done promoting what the group does for the environment and effort needs to be put in raising money outside of the SIP so fish like MRC / Toga / JP's and the like can be seeded back into the systems including rivers.
What else, keep the discussion going..
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I'm not sure how you can accuse SWFSA of being lazy. We are there to stock Somerset and Wivenhoe. That was ou initial charter. People have suggested other things, however when it comes time for people to put their hand up to help they always seem too busy. If people want to restock the world with MRC, have at it, but don't expect the busiest yet possibly least manned group to do it. You have seen the number of members who volunteered to run the past Kayak/canoe comps, at a very large cost to themselves. Unfortunately they saw it as a largely thankless task that really didn't do much for the actual fishery but caused huge stress levels on a few people. Year after year, struggling to find new members, and then trying to con someone to hold an executive position has got to the point for myself, that I really shouldn't be involved with the group at all because everyone seems to have an opinion on how the money should be spent, but nobody will stick their hand up to raise the money.
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:OffTopic) This getting of the topic, but I think that some stocking groups are very pro-active in their community exposure; running BBQs, raffles & Art Unions at hardware stores, tackle shops, stalls at local shows etc. This is a win / win in that there's as much benefit in this type of activity for public exposure & new member recruitment than just the money that is raised. I'm probably as guilty as anyone of not trying to do more of this type of thing & I know its a cop out, but with kids work etc I've got very few weekends left in a year to do this type of thing. Still not good enough & yep probably a bit lazy of me compared to the fund raisers we used to do years ago, I'll give it some thought to address this.
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Sadly Fitz, you know there will be very few people volunteer to help you.
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As for cowboys do you not have to possess a collection permit to collect brood stock and would this not be regulated by fisheries,
Cheers
Ray
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Basser
Think my post has been slightly taken out of context to what I was trying get across.
By having very large potholes to look after, SWFSA is going to be busy, and your right, it's the same people all the time that do the heavy load.
Promoting what stocking groups do gets people interested, keen and wanting to join.. therefore many hands make light work.
I think Euan Maddock people do a good job of it and there are other groups as well that do it well.
Some discussion around this at the next meeting? Maybe target the Fernvale Markets?
And more than happy to help at anytime doing what ever is needed, being selling raffle tickets, cooking snags or peeling onions if I am available. Like all work commitments make it hard at times (here I am now in gundi for the week) and other family commitments can get in the way, but with an agenda, a calendar and will to make it happen it will.
It's all life as a volunteer right. It's not a paid job, well publicised or the like and comes with little help or appreciation....and yes it all cost us the individual a few pesos every bloody time....but we keep turning up for anther go. And that is the glue that keeps us together and wanting to make it happen.
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Acquiring the brood stock could be as easy as DAFF or Seqwater picking out a few from their next electro fishing foray from the Middle Brisbane. This section of the river gets plenty of fishing pressure anyway, a few pairs aren't going to be missed. Each major Wivy spill event seems to re-seed the river anyway.
As for the cod's ancestry from these parts............they could have a bit of everything in them. :o
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From memory back in may
Ray, I saw that thread you are talking about. It only lasted about half a day, you linked a news article about GC JPs.
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Ray, I saw that thread you are talking about. It only lasted about half a day, you linked a news article about GC JPs.
There was no info in the post itself, it was just a link to another website which was about a Jungle Perch caught on the Gold Coast. Hold on the conspirancy theories, the post was removed because it had no content other than a link to a commercial website which doesn't have a return link to sweetwater, nothing more, nothing less.
Here's some pictures by Mick Horn the angler who caught the JP. We contacted Mick at the time & he shared the location for our database, but that info will not be shared here as we promised to keep it confidential.
(http://res.cloudinary.com/yaffa-publishing/image/upload/fl_keep_iptc,c_fit,w_300/JP%20Goldie%20610_50D5B920-F830-11E4-A9EE02DDB0048605.jpg)
(http://res.cloudinary.com/yaffa-publishing/image/upload/v1431385057/JP%20Goldie%203_1CC81C80-F831-11E4-A9EE02DDB0048605.jpg)
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Considering the endangered status or MRC its is a hard decision whether to take broodstock for producing fingerlings or to leave them alone to maybe recruit naturally.
Seeing the apparent losing battle in the Mary catchment there is a very strong case to expand the production of more fingerlings and looking at the record of the 2 existing hatcheries there is a strong case or allowing more hatcheries to produce fingerlings.
My personal opinion is that similar to the JP program it that they should be reintroduced back into waters where they previously existed and once established then closed seasons re examined.
From memory both existing hatcheries have lost broodstock in the past and do not have a recent good record of producing fingerlings,
One of the existing hatcheries is a commercial operation so why the opposition to the allowing new producers?
Fisheries already regulate the number of broodstock of the new operator is allowed to possess
Nothing to stop the existing hatcheries replacing their broodstock from dodgy locations.
Definitely a case for fisheries to at least oversee and tag broodstock and electrofishing would be the least invasive method
. I know of at least one pair that were electrofished and released in an area where they would have had very little chance to recruit and 99% chance of ending up in a white bucket.
Should the broodstock collected out of the Mary catchment be DNA tested to ensure that they have not been contaminated with murray bloodlines .
I think that most existing stocking groups are very conservative with allocating where their monies are spent, and the only group that are actively wishing to heavily stock marys is the LAFMA who at present do not receive any sip monies. With wyaralong being only a new dam they have a vision of this dam becoming a premier mary dam in the future and have a heavy fundraising program but are frustrated by lack or a reliable reasonably priced source of fingerings.
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Considering the endangered status or MRC its is a hard decision whether to take broodstock for producing fingerlings or to leave them alone to maybe recruit naturally.
Seeing the apparent losing battle in the Mary catchment there is a very strong case to expand the production of more fingerlings and looking at the record of the 2 existing hatcheries there is a strong case or allowing more hatcheries to produce fingerlings.
My personal opinion is that similar to the JP program it that they should be reintroduced back into waters where they previously existed and once established then closed seasons re examined.
From memory both existing hatcheries have lost broodstock in the past and do not have a recent good record of producing fingerlings,
One of the existing hatcheries is a commercial operation so why the opposition to the allowing new producers?
Fisheries already regulate the number of broodstock of the new operator is allowed to possess
Nothing to stop the existing hatcheries replacing their broodstock from dodgy locations.
Definitely a case for fisheries to at least oversee and tag broodstock and electrofishing would be the least invasive method
. I know of at least one pair that were electrofished and released in an area where they would have had very little chance to recruit and 99% chance of ending up in a white bucket.
Should the broodstock collected out of the Mary catchment be DNA tested to ensure that they have not been contaminated with murray bloodlines .
I think that most existing stocking groups are very conservative with allocating where their monies are spent, and the only group that are actively wishing to heavily stock marys is the LAFMA who at present do not receive any sip monies. With wyaralong being only a new dam they have a vision of this dam becoming a premier mary dam in the future and have a heavy fundraising program but are frustrated by lack or a reliable reasonably priced source of fingerings.
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If anyone is interested and would like all the many questions asked in this thread answered then come up to the hatchery for a visit. I am very busy here currently 24/7 by myself, happy to talk while I work.