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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2013, 07:37:14 PM »
Without a document selection criteria a "declined application" leaves DAFF open to a court challenge or appeal.

The attached PFD is a draft selection criteria I did (some years back) for Fisheries to consider as a start point to apply to prospective impoundments to the SIP scheme.

It has been considered by DAFF staff but no adoption to date.

Anyone want to comment or suggest changes?

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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2013, 07:47:58 PM »
Aren't Robina Lakes and Clear Island Waters interconnected?

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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2013, 07:55:15 PM »
Q12 is no good anymore with the changes to permits. Going to be rare to get 3 (useful) species on a permit in the future. EG Baroon Pocket's new permit is Bass and Cod only, as its no fishing for cod being part of the Mary system, basically its a one species permit.

Dont understand Q4,

To get 12 points out of 7 questions means a lot of "unnecessary stuff" is required. EG, if the dam has no camping, with a new permit only allowing bass, electric only, would be very hard to get up. Wipe out many of the current dams once they roll to the new permits.

I'm not fussed on the fish way bit either, I dont stock dams for conservation, I stock them to catch fish! Joe Blogs who is paying for a permit is also mostly only interested in catching a fish. Perhaps not allowing at risk species might be a better option where there is a fish way. After all its only bass and barra that will find a fish way useful. 

(how hard is it to blow up a fish way ;)  )


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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2013, 08:05:40 PM »
Q12 is no good anymore with the changes to permits. Going to be rare to get 3 (useful) species on a permit in the future. EG Baroon Pocket's new permit is Bass and Cod only, as its no fishing for cod being part of the Mary system, basically its a one species permit.

Dont understand Q4,

To get 12 points out of 7 questions means a lot of "unnecessary stuff" is required. EG, if the dam has no camping, with a new permit only allowing bass, electric only, would be very hard to get up. Wipe out many of the current dams once they roll to the new permits.

Q4 is a no brainer, if no permit to stock crown waters, can't join the SIP as money can't be spent on restocking.

The document was intended as a suggested starting point as there is currently nothing in existence.

The points thing is to get an idea of the potential need for restocking....as in how much fishing pressure it can probably get & how much it could take to restock it. Those things mentioned, eg what type of access, boating access, facilities all go towards making up the popularity of a lake. Compare Somerset to Wivenhoe & the fishing pressure one gets compared to the other; chalk & cheese. It is also worth considering how the existing SIP lakes funding would be affected if a popular lake, the likes of Somerset or Leslie was to apply to join, how would this affect the funding of existing lakes; a recalculation would be required as part of the consideration. Well I would if I were making the decision...........

Fishway - IMHO if an approved fishway is on the impoundment, the need for REstocking is redundant, this doesn't discount "approved seed stocking" eg MRC, Gar, Saratoga which can form sustaining populations within a lake. Remembering fish stocking should always be the last case scenario.

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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2013, 08:11:28 PM »
Ok makes sense, got to have a stocking permit before you can do anything!  I tdidn't twig you meant the normal permit. 

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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2013, 11:45:34 PM »
Aren't Robina Lakes and Clear Island Waters interconnected?

No there is a weir between them and another one between it the rustwater at Lake Wonderland.
Robina Waters the actual name, no boats, yak only.

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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2013, 02:47:12 PM »
Submission is being done for Kurwongbah.

Better edit this, trying to do submission for Kurwongbah  :popcorn)

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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2013, 05:17:00 PM »
getting resistance, or just buried in paperwork?

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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2013, 07:27:04 PM »
DAFF have been very helpful

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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2013, 08:07:33 PM »
Kurwongbah submission is done, pending the outcome of the SEQ Water Recreation Review for Lake Kurwongbah due to be completed in late 2013.
How is everyone else going ?

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Re: QLD Fisheries Review - SIP
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2013, 09:11:30 PM »
Kurwongbah submission is done, pending the outcome of the SEQ Water Recreation Review for Lake Kurwongbah due to be completed in late 2013.
How is everyone else going ?

Well done Steve.  :tick You're ahead of me....  :-[

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Re: SIP Scheme - QLD Fisheries Review
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2013, 07:43:17 PM »
Have people seen the letter that the minister is sending out to stocking groups that are not part of the sip scheme. Whilst he says it is not an invite to join the sip scheme he says that even weirs could qualify.
 Suggests it could replace funds lost from the old rfep funding.
 Be a win for current non sip groups but less funds for current groups unless a hell of a lot on new permits sold.
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Re: SIP Scheme - QLD Fisheries Review
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2013, 08:32:23 PM »
Grubs.

Actually I just renewed my permit and actually read it. Then I went and read the old ones back to 2008 I still have, all are more or less the same.

All the arguments I've seen over the years on forums about whether or not you need an SIP for shrimp, for Redclaw etc etc.

Permit says its for taking fresh water fish using either a fishing line or set line. Looks like no one ever reads the actual permit!  ;)

Of course my problem now is that if they do add any extra's to the SIP I'll need a new permit, because it also says that permission to fish is for use in any water way as listed in the 1999 Fisheries management plan!

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Re: SIP Scheme - QLD Fisheries Review
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2013, 10:52:08 PM »
Have people seen the letter that the minister is sending out to stocking groups that are not part of the sip scheme. Whilst he says it is not an invite to join the sip scheme he says that even weirs could qualify.
 Suggests it could replace funds lost from the old rfep funding.
 Be a win for current non sip groups but less funds for current groups unless a hell of a lot on new permits sold.
 Cheers
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Yes. Have read & responded appropriately.  :thumbsup

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Re: SIP Scheme - QLD Fisheries Review
« Reply #29 on: May 17, 2013, 04:10:15 AM »
Have people seen the letter that the minister is sending out to stocking groups that are not part of the sip scheme. Whilst he says it is not an invite to join the sip scheme he says that even weirs could qualify.
 Suggests it could replace funds lost from the old rfep funding.
 Be a win for current non sip groups but less funds for current groups unless a hell of a lot on new permits sold.
 Cheers
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Being as they retain 20 odd percent of the take, they ripped approx $160k out funding, permits are $37.50, leaves $30 going to stocking groups,  that means they need to sell approximately an extra 5500 permits to cover the shortfall.

But given groups whom got RFF funds were generally funded considerably lower for same size waterways as what SIP dams would have got, I'd guestimate you would need to  treble those numbers before I'd be sure anyone previously getting SIP funding was not impacted.

Also - Quite a few stocking groups were funded to stock weirs under the RFF. eg - Caboolture were funded for stocking above 3 weirs.

 

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