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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2014, 03:43:07 PM »
I have no problems opening up closed waters that currently not part of the sip.
 I have no problems opening up waters above man made or natural barriers .
 Since the last floods I doubt that (Maybe with the exception of the Noosa ?????)there is such a thing as a truly wild bass in SEQ.
There are quite a few streams/creeks without any weirs etc that now sustain a population of bass since the floods and surely these fish deserve a degree of protection?
If they could previously publish a list of waters that bass could be targeted during closed season why not just extend the list to name the rivers/streams with barriers/weirs and state targeting bass above the barriers is permissible.
I believe that that would be the sensible solution.
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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2014, 06:35:22 PM »
So Ray, you want a list of every river and stream and creek in Queensland which could run to hundreds, rather than a rule that is easy to understand.  If the water goes up and down with the tide you can't fish it, seems simple enough to me.

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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2014, 06:56:09 PM »
If you look at in simple terms.
Old regs were impossible to enforce anyway.
ALL Bass are now a mix of stocked fish with a minute fraction of a percent of wild fish with the exception of the Noosa which is the original source of stocked fish genetics anyway.
There is no shortage of Bass ANYWHERE now with millions more to be stocked in the future.
Only downside to the change that I can see is the effect on the natural and founder populations of MRC in the other catchments.

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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2014, 07:33:13 PM »
Gary has already listed the major  rivers with weirs etc which are the ones that everyone wished to fish in the previous closed season.
Much easier than trying to determine the limit of tidal waters.
I am waiting for a written opinion on what exactly determines tidal water.
 One call centre opinion said taste the water yet another person said limit of mangroves.
Or it could even be limit of rise and fall caused by tidal movement which of course depends on fresh water heights and also tidal heights.
 What rise and fall constitutes tidal movement?
May be millions going into  dams that are part pf the SIP but currently no funding for stocking  non sip dams or rivers and streams.
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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2014, 08:11:59 PM »
Tidal waters rise and fall and flow both ways....................................

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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2014, 10:34:12 AM »
Tidal Waters Legal Definition:
Bodies of water within a state's territorial waters and that are subject to the ebb and flow of ordinary tides, whether navigable or not

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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2014, 12:43:25 PM »
 Please find attached the answer to one of my Questions that I submitted. The last line about common sense is pertinent
As I get answers to the other ones I will also post.
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To: OQPC Legislation Queries

Subject: New fisheries legislation re closed season Australian Bass.



With reference to the new legislation re closed season for Australian Bass etc.

Could you please tell me how one determines whether waters are tidal.

is there a difference between tidal influence which can vary due to various factors and tidal waters as stated in the legislation.




Good morning,



It is an interesting area and I appreciate the challenge,



Essentially it relates to an area subject to tidal influence so will vary depending upon tidal conditions and topography.



As a general rule there are vegetation changes that can be used to indicate this are of influence/change in ecosystems. Any natural feature that separates bodies of water can also be of assistance.



See Survey and Mapping Infrastructure Act 2003 section 70 & 71



other similar language relating to a watercourse at a

place where the waters of the watercourse are subject

to tidal influence

See

www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/S/SurvMapInfA03.pdf



The fisheries Act referrers to Non tidal land

nontidal land includes land permanently or periodically

submerged by waters not subject to tidal influence.



And tidal land as



tidal land includes reefs, shoals and other land permanently or

periodically submerged by waters subject to tidal influence.





As always common sense applies to these situations.
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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2014, 01:10:38 PM »
I don't think it's up for interpretation Ray, the following are all the Government definitions for "Tidal Waters" that I can find.  A Court or an Enforcement Officer will only be able to go by a published definition of the term:

Harbour Boards Act 1892
- SECT 7 Interpretation
"Tidal Water" means and part of the sea or of
a river within the ebb and flow of the tide at
ordinary spring tide

MARINE PARKS ACT
1982 - SECT 9
"tidal waters" means Queensland waters
that are subject to tidal influence.

RECREATION AREAS
MANAGEMENT ACT
1988 - SECT 5
"tidal waters" means Queensland waters that
are within the ebb and flow of the tide at
spring tides.

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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2014, 01:14:37 PM »
The Fisheries Act 1994 does not have a specific definition for "Tidal Waters", so I would suggest that any of the above could be used.

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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2014, 07:08:11 PM »
When the hair splitting & post pissing are all said & done, we seem to be forgetting that Qld's Fisheries managers have done a great thing for recreational fishing, pure & simple. This should be applauded. I for one thank the person's involved in getting this change made.  :Clap)

If you going fishing for bass, during the closed season, and you're not sure if you're in tidal waters or not, don't do it..... simple.

We're also forgetting that aussie bass are regulated in other ways; these are minimum size limits and bag limits. Even if someone is a couple of meters on the wrong side of the tide, the above mentioned limits should limit impact anyway. What's the worst that can be done?

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Re: Closed Bass Season
« Reply #40 on: June 11, 2014, 08:42:19 PM »
Oh you should see the cr@p arguments on stalkbook. "They need a 3 month break from being flogged" lol more intelligence in a common house brick than out there ..

 

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